The Sanders Surge

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

If Trump is elected, the Congress would probably stay in Republican hands. They would rebel.

If Hillary is elected, her coattails would be pretty non-existent. That would leave the Congress in Republican hands too. The obstruction that followed would make the last 8 years look like a honeymoon.

If Bernie is elected, it would have to be part of a movement. Movements grow very long coattails which could flip the Congress.

Bernie is the best hope for an end to Republican misrule in the Congress.



So, since you think Bernie has no chance, you throw your support behind the candidate who's guaranteed not to implement a single shred of Bernie's agenda?

So, you think the only democratic nominee who might also find him/herself with a Senate majority is Bernie Sanders? Because he's the only one with a movement? How's about the first woman POTUS in history movement?

Besides, dream on MacDuff. We're not going to see a Democratic majority in the US House in our lifetimes...particularly not a geezer like you. Maybe not in anybody's lifetime what with the nature of gerrymandering and there simply being so many backwater cabbageville US House districts fulla inbred cretins with arms or legs growing out of their foreheads.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

Anyone else see this tweet? Sanders fans look ready to take out Hillary insurgents.

YvonneWingettSanchez ‏@yvonnewingett · 14h14 hours ago

Secret Service confiscated all this crap from people headed into the @BernieSanders rally.

That stuff isn't for the Clintonistas, my guess it's for any T'Rump wannabe stormtrooper that shows up at a Sanders rally.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Boreas

There are still about 2,400 delegates up for grabs. Hillary needs about 1/3 of them to lock it up..... if the Superdelegates maintain faith on the first ballot.

Missouri isn't really over yet. Hillary's lead is less than 2,000 votes with 99% reporting but absentee ballots not included. Illinois is also close but less likely to change.

It is over John. Bernie does not have traction with the Obama coalition.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by icenine

Actually Keynes wrote and told FDR to lay off demonizing the banks because it was causing the country not to come out of the 1937 recession.

And that proved to be 100% accurate!

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

So, you think the only democratic nominee who might also find him/herself with a Senate majority is Bernie Sanders? Because he's the only one with a movement? How's about the first woman POTUS in history movement?

Besides, dream on MacDuff. We're not going to see a Democratic majority in the US House in our lifetimes...particularly not a geezer like you. Maybe not in anybody's lifetime what with the nature of gerrymandering and there simply being so many backwater cabbageville US House districts fulla inbred cretins with arms or legs growing out of their foreheads.

"Dream" was the Prince of Denmark. MacDuff was challenged to "lay on".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJIpp2Jj8AQ

Of all the candidates, with the possible exception of Trump, I do think Bernie is most likely to generate a movement. I think his followers, perhaps unwisely, trust him totally and implicitly to do exactly what he says and trust that the results will be to their benefit. This is the sort of canddidacy which sweeps people along with it down-ticket.

On the other hand, I doubt there are many people who really trust Hillary. She's been on too many sides of too many issues and the Right Wing smear campaigns going back a quarter century. A lot of voters alive today have no idea as to the facts of the dozen or so "-gates" during the Clinton years. They just know that Hillary keeps getting hammered with them from all sides. There must be something to all that, right?

So, even people prepared to vote for her will do so mostly because they (like you) don't think Bernie can deliver on his promises. And gender doesn't help her either. Some polls show Bernie as having majority support among women, particularly young women.

Unlike Bernie, Hillary isn't "loved" by very many people or even entirely trusted. You can't generate a movement around a candidate like her.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

"Dream" was the Prince of Denmark. MacDuff was challenged to "lay on".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJIpp2Jj8AQ

Fuck off. "Dream on" has been a play on words of Shakespeare's "Lay on" almost since Shakepear's corpse went in the dirt.

Originally Posted by Boreas

Of all the candidates, with the possible exception of Trump, I do think Bernie is most likely to generate a movement. I think his followers, perhaps unwisely, trust him totally and implicitly to do exactly what he says and trust that the results will be to their benefit. This is the sort of canddidacy which sweeps people along with it down-ticket.

On the other hand, I doubt there are many people who really trust Hillary. She's been on too many sides of too many issues and the Right Wing smear campaigns going back a quarter century. A lot of voters alive today have no idea as to the facts of the dozen or so "-gates" during the Clinton years. They just know that Hillary keeps getting hammered with them from all sides. There must be something to all that, right?

So, even people prepared to vote for her will do so mostly because they (like you) don't think Bernie can deliver on his promises. And gender doesn't help her either. Some polls show Bernie as having majority support among women, particularly young women.

Unlike Bernie, Hillary isn't "loved" by very many people or even entirely trusted. You can't generate a movement around a candidate like her.

The only movement Bernie is likely to generate will be driven by Ex-lax.

There are just as many people in this country who will never vote for a rumpled Jew soci@list who was never able to support himself with an actual job until he got a job in government, as there are soci@lists in the electorate ready to launch any "movement" in Bernie's name.

Hillary's been on differing sides of too many issues? What idiotic bullshit. Pointing the gnarly flip-flop finger is utter bullshit. I appreciate anybody willing to change their course when they find out they've been on the wrong side of an issue or the wrong course in their management.

So Hillary is not to be trusted? And when she's the candidate, which of your trusted Repubicans is getting your vote? Bernie is dead meat. And you fucking people continue to take potshots at Hillary Clinton for being no different from Barack Obama...the most prolific practitioner of the campaign bait and switch in the political history of the country. We have an opportunity to have the Supreme Court we have been pleading for since Nixon. And you'd just as well fuck it up.

Staying home on November 8th then, john? Just to spite everybody else for leaving you with Hillary Clinton as your choice? Ah...who fucking cares what you do or what you think. Hillary Clinton will annihilate Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. And you be sitting at home with your flaccid pecker in your hand wondering what happened.

And who says I wouldn't vote for Bernie if he's the candidate whether I think he can give everybody health care, give everybody's kid a college degree, give every low income worker 20 bucks an hour, trim the number of active Naval carrier groups from 11 to 2, send a couple dozen bankster theives to prison, and get the Koch brothers to pay for it all. I'll vote for Bernie if he's the candidate. Because we'll get the SCOTUS justices we want from Bernie, just like we will from Hillary.

What I don't like about Bernie is that he's a panderer. You think it takes any integrity for a politician to stand up in front of the people and tell them he's going to give them everything and make somebody else pay for it? It's as bad a Cruz continuing to tell people, like he told his ignoramus constituents that he will repeal Obamacare when he knows he can't. But that's Bernie...he's a smart guy, he knows what America is made up of...people who want what they want, who want it right now, and who want somebody else to pay for it. Keep it up, Bernie...you've already proven to me your no different from any other lying ass politician.

[bobabode]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...legates-220847

Say it ain't so, Bernie.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Fuck off. "Dream on" has been a play on words of Shakespeare's "Lay on" almost since Shakepear's corpse went in the dirt.

Who's Shakepear? is that some variety of fruit?

The only movement Bernie is likely to generate will be driven by Ex-lax.

Hmmmm........ I never thought of it that way before.

There are just as many people in this country who will never vote for a rumpled Jew soci@list who was never able to support himself with an actual job until he got a job in government, as there are soci@lists in the electorate ready to launch any "movement" in Bernie's name.

Really, Ike, don't you ever get tired of playing the anti-Semite card? To the extent that people such as you describe exist, don't you think they're more likely to be Republican voters? I certainly do. For most people, Bernie's heritage is a complete non-issue.

Hillary's been on differing sides of too many issues? What idiotic bullshit. Pointing the gnarly flip-flop finger is utter bullshit. I appreciate anybody willing to change their course when they find out they've been on the wrong side of an issue or the wrong course in their management.

You say "tomayto" and I say "tomahto". One person's evolution on the issue is another person's flip-flop.

So Hillary is not to be trusted? And when she's the candidate, which of your trusted Repubicans is getting your vote?

I've always said that Hillary will get my vote, though it'll be a less than enthusiastic vote.

Also, I never said that Hillary isn't to be trusted. On the whole, I think she is. What I said very clearly is that the efforts of the right over a 25 year period to demonize her as a liar and a murderer have made voters, even many who support her, less than enthusiastic.

Bernie is dead meat.

Maybe not the nominee but he'll carry a lot of weight at the convention.

And you fucking people continue to take potshots at Hillary Clinton for being no different from Barack Obama...the most prolific practitioner of the campaign bait and switch in the political history of the country.

Which "fucking people" would those be? Personally, I like Obama and, with one or two big reservations, I think he's done the best job he could, given the tactics of the GOP.

We have an opportunity to have the Supreme Court we have been pleading for since Nixon. And you'd just as well fuck it up.

Any Democrat in the White House gives us that and polls show that Bernie does better in the general than Hillary. Bernie beats all of the Republicans. Hillary does not and, for those she does beat, she beats them by a smaller margin than Hillary does.

Staying home on November 8th then, john? Just to spite everybody else for leaving you with Hillary Clinton as your choice?

Nope!

Ah...who fucking cares what you do or what you think. Hillary Clinton will annihilate Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. And you be sitting at home with your flaccid pecker in your hand wondering what happened.

Wrong again.

And who says I wouldn't vote for Bernie

Not me. You still talking to me?

What I don't like about Bernie is that he's a panderer. You think it takes any integrity for a politician to stand up in front of the people and tell them he's going to give them everything and make somebody else pay for it? It's as bad a Cruz continuing to tell people, like he told his ignoramus constituents that he will repeal Obamacare when he knows he can't. But that's Bernie...he's a smart guy, he knows what America is made up of...people who want what they want, who want it right now, and who want somebody else to pay for it. Keep it up, Bernie...you've already proven to me your no different from any other lying ass politician.

You're far too cynical, Alan. It's only "pandering" if it comes from the sort of cynical universe you live in. Personally, I think everything that Bernie says he wants to do is something he really does want to do. I also think that, in the majority of cases, what he wants to do is restore the New Deal and to take it in the direction it was destined to follow had the Republicans started trying to dismantle it almost from day one.

And I got through this whole post without a single "fuck you" or "flaccid pecker" reference! Ain't that something?!

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by bobabode

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...legates-220847

Say it ain't so, Bernie.

Just working the system like "your gal" and without the direct assistance of the DNC Chair. What's so bad about that?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Who's Shakepear? is that some variety of fruit?

Typos, really, john? Stuff it up your oozing septuagenarian rectal orifice, along with the rest of your post. Whatever it said.