Trumps is in! - Page 217

nailer · #**2161** 03-14-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas

My point is that it doesn't pay to hope for some ill-defines vaguely positive outcome from a human catastrophe.

We've had the "War To End All Wars" from 1914 to 1918. That led directly to WWII and the Holocaust to which we all cried, "Never again!" But that was followed by the Killing Fields of Cambodia, the Rwandan genocide and the ghettoization of black South Africans and Palestinians in Israel/Palestine.

Polyanna and Scarlet O'Hara notwithstanding, today's atrocity sows the seeds for tomorrow's atrocity.

You infer where there is no implication. Pandora's box is a tale for suckers.

BTW, the movie Scarlet was no Pollyanna.

Boreas · #**2162** 03-14-2016, 02:50 PM

"These people are bad people who want to do harm to our country."

An oft repeated sentence which Trump uses to describe anyone who opposes him. This plants the seed that anyone who opposes Trump is a "real and present danger" (of some unspecified sort) who must be stopped by any means necessary.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/fck...y-in-st-louis/

I think the likelihood of someone being seriously injured or even killed at a Trump event grows every day. If Trump loses either the nomination or the presidency, that becomes a virtual certainty.

Dondilion · #**2163** 03-14-2016, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

In the state of Sachsen-Anhalt almost 25% voted yesterday for the extremely right wing AFD (Assholes For Deutschland.... ahmm... Alternative Für Deutschland).

The party is pretty new. Anyway a newspaper said today that the AFD will be like Tinnitus. Always audible and difficult to remove. So is Trump.

The lady refused to cap.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eur...Name=worldNews

VanishingPoi · #**2164** 03-14-2016, 07:30 PM

I tried to delete this post.

catswiththum · #**2165** 03-14-2016, 08:19 PM

I can't stand any of the candidates. The only reason I will not vacate the USA when one of them is elected is our separation of powers (devised by a more rational group).

We will elect either an idiot, a shrill elitist, or a 60's throwback gnome. Thankfully, when a president starts throwing ideas around, we have a congress and supreme court to separate some of the wheat from the chaff.

Congress doesn't have a sterling reputation and the supreme court can be altered by appointment, but both can tie up lunatic bills until they fizzle and fade.

Gridlock has a designed function.

bobabode · #**2166** 03-14-2016, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by catswiththum

I can't stand any of the candidates. The only reason I will not vacate the USA when one of them is elected is our separation of powers (devised by a more rational group).

We will elect either an idiot, a shrill elitist, or a 60's throwback gnome. Thankfully, when a president starts throwing ideas around, we have a congress and supreme court to separate some of the wheat from the chaff.

Congress doesn't have a sterling reputation and the supreme court can be altered by appointment, but both can tie up lunatic bills until they fizzle and fade.

Gridlock has a designed function.

Me neither. I kind of like that we'll have the first woman president in our history. Lord knows, we who wear our gonads on the outside, haven't exactly been the best stewards of the land.

Tom Joad · #**2167** 03-15-2016, 09:43 AM

Every now and then things line up in such a way as to make a loss better than a win. This could be the case for Trump in Ohio.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...by-losing-Ohio

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Here's why Donald Trump might win by losing Ohio

For the purposes of the stop-Trump movement, it might be better if Ohio Gov. John Kasich lost his home state Tuesday.

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Boreas · #**2168** 03-15-2016, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Every now and then things line up in such a way as to make a loss better than a win. This could be the case for Trump in Ohio.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...by-losing-Ohio

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The "Stop Trump Movement" is a joke. The Republican voters want him and will vote for him. Period. The only thing the Republicans can do is steal the nomination from him at their convention, a "murder-suicide".

noonereal · #**2169** 03-15-2016, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas

What I notice most of all is your refusal to recognize the dangers posed by Trump and your jocular dismissal of those who see him for what he is.

Ed, are you totally oblivious to the reality of where this is heading? Would you honestly like to see him as president?

I don't see him for what he is.... got it.

Come on John an opposing view or opinion, outside of the sciences is not inherently your domain.

You know I respect you, Fin, Rob... way smart folks. I love Dave, the man is a genius of expression. You are all different than I which is why I enjoy you all so. I don't have the book knowledge you guys have and my life experiences are different but I have never been at a loss to out think anybody. Plus, like you (plural) I thirst for knowledge. Probably why my nickname as an adult has been The Professor. I have semi regularly had people accuse me of being clairvoyant because I have been so eerily insightful. I go for a haircut people what to hear my opinion ... blah blah blah... but it's true

With that qualifier I'll say, you need to open your closed minds.
1) The sky is not falling. It's nothing but a passing summer storm.
2) It's not inherently bad that a candidate entertains as he campaigns. His goal is to gather votes and people are more likely to vote for who they like and you says that they will provide their wants. Every politician does this. 3) I have no issue with those that will not accept a politician that will not conform to their want of what a politician is. That is a large part of the knee jerk rejection of many of the more cerebral. But then they become what they dislike, zealots of opposition.
4) No acceptable, reasoned case has been made for anyone to reject Trump on hysteria... it is what you are advocating. In the past my open mind has been won over by you. Posts as I am receiving from you now are emotional, nothing I can recalculate on. What was it, gay marriage you changed my mind ? Yes, I am sure it was you who made a reasoned case that I could accept.
5) To your questions, am I oblivious? Doubt it. Could be. You may be. Hence the banter. I know I am not the ultimate prognosticator. With all respect, I don't think you are either.
6) Would I like to see him as President? I don't know. I do know that I am not scared of that possibility. I do know I don't think Hillary or Bernie are electable and have said that since summer. I do know Rafael the Canadian is much more scary a proposition than is Trump. no one speaks to this. It's actually frustrating that no one cares. I do know Rubio is not ready... Kasich? Maybe.

If you want to make a case for what to you is the obvious peril of Trump, I'll intently and open mindedly consider it. As of now, I see the anti Trump as hysteria.

noonereal · #**2170** 03-15-2016, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas

The "Stop Trump Movement" is a joke. The Republican voters want him and will vote for him. Period. The only thing the Republicans can do is steal the nomination from him at their convention, a "murder-suicide".

who,in order, on the GOP side would you consider the least destructive potentially, if elected?