'Large Group Of Armed Militia Members Take Over Federal Building'

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

If on-site support remains high, I doubt starving them out will be considered. Just to much risk with that many people hanging around. The cops will go in.

There isn't much local support DJ. http://www.oregonlive.com/#/0

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

If on-site support remains high, I doubt starving them out will be considered. Just to much risk with that many people hanging around. The cops will go in.

That's why it is necessary to quickly set up a formidable armed perimeter to keep sympathizers away.

The gov, after all the warnings and actions of such militias, should have by now effective counter measures.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

If on-site support remains high, I doubt starving them out will be considered. Just to much risk with that many people hanging around. The cops will go in.

"On-site support's" just a circle jerk.

The only reason for an assault would be if the "patriots" posed a threat to public safety. They're in the middle of nowhere. There's no "public" around.

[Rajoo]

I also support for the starving of the ignorant fools out with an offer of personal safety for those surrendering. This is Obama's last year and the Fed's can and should take a tougher stance than they did in Nevada.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by JJIII

Really?

Really?

I protest your lumping my non-violent siege proposal in with the others.

The rest is the instinctive reaction against outlaws and rebels.

ON EDIT: saw your post 25. We're cool.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

He's just an old fool that has no real sense of reality anymore.

Said the guy who got stuck at 13.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Born from some sort of self entitlement, just because. The lack of local support is telling

The terrorist's statement: "Once they can use these lands as free men then we will have accomplished what we came to accomplish."

This is pretty vague....

What is it they really want? Anarchy?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by bobabode

It'd be a good time to move on the Bundy ranch in Nevada, while these yahoos are playing 'Red Dawn' up in Oregon.

On NPR this morning it was reported that some of the people at this location in Oregon were also at the Bundy ranch incident.

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by Boreas

I think that Marc and TJ are being deliberately over the top and that DQ isn't suggesting that they be allowed to die of starvation.

Marc's idea that the local militia people are unsympathetic doesn't really mean anything. There are plenty of people in other parts of the country who are entirely supportive of the Bundy Bunch. Killing these idiots or allowing them to starve to death would make them into instant martyrs. That we definitely don't need.

Starving them out is the way to do this. Set up a perimeter around the area they occupy and prevent them from leaving. Then set up an outer perimeter to prevent other people and supplies from coming in. Shut off their gas, electricity and, if possible, their water. It won't be long before they come out.

True, they may try a "Butch and Sundance" and come out shooting but that's on them and will be seen as such. Really, I don't see that as being very likely. You'd need tho have 150 people's unanimous consent to basically commit suicide. I doubt they all would agree. I doubt even more than a handful would.

The other thing is for the government to refuse to agree to any demands beyond the personal safety of anyone voluntarily surrendering. No accession to any of their demands, nothing that can be spun as a victory.

It'll be interesting to hear what DJ has to say when he gets back from Oregon.

Deliberate? Yes. Over the top? No. I never said they should be murdered by sniper, I said it would be a good time for them to die. If it comes to an armed standoff, and shots are fired, I think they should be the first ones taken out. Their words alone are incitement enough.

Ammon Bundy and his brother, Ryan Bundy, said they are not looking to hurt anyone. But they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them, they said.

He said many would be willing to fight — and die, if necessary

Ammon Bundy posted a video on his Facebook page calling on patriots from across the country to report to the refuge – with their weapons.

Payne has claimed to have helped organize militia snipers to target federal agents in a standoff last year in Nevada. He told one news organization the federal agents would have been killed had they made the wrong move.

The people they are supposedly fighting for are against it. To me that makes this just wonton terrorism.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by MrPots

The terrorist's statement: "Once they can use these lands as free men then we will have accomplished what we came to accomplish."

This is pretty vague....

What is it they really want? Anarchy?

They want to be the heros in a fantasy comic-book they have mistaken for reality.