Poor Ben.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

And that's as flaccid as anything you've posted in the 2 years I've been here. So Jews are barbarous then, by a factor of at least 25:1. Whenever I need reinforcement of that notion...I'll think of you.

Don't ever consider work requiring using quantitative analysis accurately.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

So Jews are barbarous then, by a factor of at least 25:1.

Pointing out the acts of barbarism perpetrated by the IDF or even by Israeli private citizens, is a far cry from saying that "Jews are barbarous" and you know it.

Or maybe you are stupid after all.

Just to throw a little gasoline on the fire, so to speak....

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.668871

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Pointing out the acts of barbarism perpetrated by the IDF or even by Israeli private citizens, is a far cry from saying that "Jews are barbarous" and you know it.

Or maybe you are stupid after all.

Just to throw a little gasoline on the fire, so to speak....

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.668871

Look John...we're just back to teh evul joos again. That's how it works with guys like you.

The barbarous Israeli government gets it's position, it's authority, and it's power to act by the will and desire of the people of Israel, who are becoming more and more conservative every day. You can't blame it on a bunch of politicians in the Kenessett and on Netanyahu. Just like you can't blame Texas on Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott. The people have what they want.

But you go ahead on trying to hide your agenda under increasing layers of phony outrage.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

But you go ahead on trying to hide your agenda under increasing layers of phony outrage.

Okay, then. Out me. What's my agenda?

Is Haaretz on board with it too?

[Boreas]

By the way, the militant Settler Movement has perpetrated many atrocities against Palestinians, just like or worse than the one I linked to. Their actions are frequently perpetrated under the noses of IDF patrols because many individual members of the army approve the goals and the tactics of the settlers.

These are established facts. The Israeli government doesn't even try to deny them. On the other hand, though they decry them for their barbarism, they make no effort to prevent them.

Compare that, if you will, to the atrocities committed by individual Palestinians with the approval of and support from Hamas. Do you see a difference? Is one barbarism and the other self-defense? Which is which?

Help me out here Ike. I'm having a lot of trouble seeing any difference at all here. Aren't these equivalently inhuman? Aren't they equally monstrous? Aren't the authorities which countenance these acts equally culpable?

[finnbow]

Here's an interesting read and a lament on the current state of affairs in Israel from a former IDF soldier. All I can say is that I'm happy that my son moved back 2 weeks ago from 3 years in Tel Aviv. The whole scene there was taking a toll on him, despite the great job he had.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...raeli-traitor/

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Help me out here Ike. I'm having a lot of trouble seeing any difference at all here. Aren't these equivalently inhuman? Aren't they equally monstrous? Aren't the authorities which countenance these acts equally culpable?

Not even remotely equivalent. Israel is acting in self-defense. Militant Islam is a caliphate. The jihadists not only want every Israeli dead they want you and me dead as well.

As far as the Jews of Israel are concerned. They know they're on their own. They know that in the hearts of the rest of the world is the notion that the world would be better off if every Jew on the planet disappeared tomorrow. By Israel's existence, 9/11 is Israel's fault. By it's existence terrorist acts in Europe are Israel's fault. If there was no Israel there would be no Islamist terrorism on the planet. And I suspect you believe it too. So why should any Israeli give a shit in Arafat's hat what you or I or anybody else thinks of them.

The majority of Israeli Jews feel that more than enough dirt has been given back since the 6 Day War. Any time a terrorist rocket or mortar round lands in a Jewish neighborhood, the majority of Israeli Jews want their military to bomb the shit out of whatever location it came from. It's easy to blame it on Bibi. We should have a new liberal hollywood TV series...we can call it "Blame it on Bibi." You can't blame it on Bibi any more than we can blame red state politicians for their anti-gay and anti-woman bullshit. All politicians do it support what they believe will give them the best chance of maintaining their office. We have anti-gay and anti-woman crap where we have it because it's what the bigoted American people want. We have laws requiring anal probes prior to getting an abortion because it's what the people want.

And you and I and Israeli Jews know good and goddamn well that when civilians are killed in Israeli air strikes it's because Hamas puts themselves next to schools, next to hospitals and in crowded civilian residential neighborhoods because Hamas hopes it will deter air strikes...but because Hamas wants dead civilians, particularly dead women and children. The more dead women and children, the better Hamas likes it. And we all know that Hamas is the government of Gaza because the people handed Hamas their office on a plate.

Equivalent...my ass.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Not even remotely equivalent. Israel is acting in self-defense. Militant Islam is a caliphate. The jihadists not only want every Israeli dead they want you and me dead as well.

So, burning babies in their cribs is an act of self defense?

As far as the Jews of Israel are concerned. They know they're on their own. They know that in the hearts of the rest of the world is the notion that the world would be better off if every Jew on the planet disappeared tomorrow. 9/11 is Israel's fault. Terrorist acts in Europe are Israel's fault.

This is truly pathetic paranoia. Israel is not on their own. The US pumps billions of dollars into the country every year. The US protects the "secret" that Israel has nukes in violation of international treaties. The US vetoes any meaningful sanctions against Israel for their violations of international law. Even the Egyptians and the odious Saudis have Israel's back.

This is just a start. The litany of support for Israel and the countries supporting them is endless.

If there was no Israel there would be no Islamist terrorism on the planet. And I suspect you believe it too.

Of course you suspect it. It's the mirror image of the lizard brain response you demonstrate here every time Israel comes up.

And you and I and Israeli Jews know that when civilians are killed in Israeli air strikes it's because Hamas puts themselves next to schools, next to hospitals and in crowded civilian residential neighborhoods not because Hamas hopes it will deter air strikes...but because Hamas wants dead civilians, particularly dead women and children. The more dead women and children, the better Hamas likes it.

You and I and the Israeli Jews know that that happens but to say that it's the reason for all or even most of the civilian casualties is, frankly, a lie.

And the majority of Israeli Jews would probably agree with me.

You have no objectivity and no sense of proportion at all when it comes to Israel. As I've said before, you are a walking, talking negative stereotype. You'd be an embarrassment to any Jew I know.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Look John...we're just back to teh evul joos again. That's how it works with guys like you.

The barbarous Israeli government gets it's position, it's authority, and it's power to act by the will and desire of the people of Israel, who are becoming more and more conservative every day. You can't blame it on a bunch of politicians in the Kenessett and on Netanyahu. Just like you can't blame Texas on Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott. The people have what they want.

But you go ahead on trying to hide your agenda under increasing layers of phony outrage.

I deploy my mirror. You are thereby devastated.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Sure. I acknowledge that there are jihadists who are murderous barbarians and religious bigots.

BTW - you didn't acknowledge what I asked you to acknowledge. I asked you to acknowledge that jihadists are murderous barbarians and religious bigots...not that there are jihadists who are murderous barbarians and religious bigots. Those are two very different statements.