Poor Ben.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Nobody should listen to a fellow like me unless they decide they want to pay me for it.

I didn't really mean you in particular, you know. You're not exactly the only one, see. Especially when you consider the relative speaking volume of actions and words.

That is, acts of oppression and cruelty speak a ton louder that pious protestations of a desire to live with good will if one only could....

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I didn't really mean you in particular, you know. You're not exactly the only one, see. Especially when you consider the relative speaking volume of actions and words.

That is, acts of oppression and cruelty speak a ton louder that pious protestations of a desire to live with good will if one only could....

Where you see oppression and cruelty, I see a people with a 2000 year history of suffering oppression, cruelty, and genocide who have decided that they are not gonna take it lying down...ever again.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

And that's your trouble. You internalize glib little turds like this. So, it seems, do many Israelis.

Lehrer was a Jew himself and was a teenager during WWII. Given the events of his formative years, he can perhaps be forgiven for harboring the sort of feelings he expressed in that lyric but not any more. Everybody doesn't hate anybody.

John leaves his sense of humor in his other pants.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

I neither said nor meant that but, if you see yourself in that statement........

It's too bad you won't just say what you mean and mean what you say.

[matteos]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Why is it that your answer to everything is 'look how awful they are?'

Why should any Palestinian, listening to a fellow like you, believe for one second that they have anything but endless oppression and cruelty to look forward to from the Israelis?

Rubbish.

There has been a huge wave of violence from Palestinians against Israeli citizens recently.. Stabbings, car jackings, shootings, murder etc etc.

Nobody talks about it..But when Israel goes in... Then that's all we hear about.

Funny that Egypt also has a blockade against Palestine, nobody talks about that. No Arab country wants the Palestinians. They all want them in that little area to make Israel look bad and because they also hate them.

Palestinians accepted Hamas, accepted death to the Jews as part of their constitution Palestine fires rockets into Israel daily and fires these rockets from hospitals and schools. Yes, Hamas is not much different to ISIS, they are perhaps less extreme, but not by that much.

If you think the story in Israel and Palestine is one of pure Israeli victimization of Palestine you are mistaken. Fact is, Israel often restrains itself. Other nations would have bulldozed Palestine into the sea.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

John leaves his sense of humor in his other pants.

Good lord, Ike. You of all people should know the power humor has to influence our thinking. At some level Lehrer probably did believe that "everyone hates the Jews" and, judging by your postings here, it seems you do too.

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

It's too bad you won't just say what you mean and mean what you say.

I do and I did. Most of us have our hatreds but it doesn't make one a "hater". That requires a preoccupation with hatred.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by matteos

Rubbish.

There has been a huge wave of violence from Palestinians against Israeli citizens recently.. Stabbings, car jackings, shootings, murder etc etc.

Nobody talks about it..But when Israel goes in... Then that's all we hear about.

Funny that Egypt also has a blockade against Palestine, nobody talks about that. No Arab country wants the Palestinians. They all want them in that little area to make Israel look bad and because they also hate them.

Palestinians accepted Hamas, accepted death to the Jews as part of their constitution Palestine fires rockets into Israel daily and fires these rockets from hospitals and schools. Yes, Hamas is not much different to ISIS, they are perhaps less extreme, but not by that much.

If you think the story in Israel and Palestine is one of pure Israeli victimization of Palestine you are mistaken. Fact is, Israel often restrains itself. Other nations would have bulldozed Palestine into the sea.

Yep.

PS - You're in trouble now.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by matteos

Rubbish.

There has been a huge wave of violence from Palestinians against Israeli citizens recently.. Stabbings, car jackings, shootings, murder etc etc.

Nobody talks about it..But when Israel goes in... Then that's all we hear about.

Funny that Egypt also has a blockade against Palestine, nobody talks about that. No Arab country wants the Palestinians. They all want them in that little area to make Israel look bad and because they also hate them.

Palestinians accepted Hamas, accepted death to the Jews as part of their constitution Palestine fires rockets into Israel daily and fires these rockets from hospitals and schools. Yes, Hamas is not much different to ISIS, they are perhaps less extreme, but not by that much.

If you think the story in Israel and Palestine is one of pure Israeli victimization of Palestine you are mistaken. Fact is, Israel often restrains itself. Other nations would have bulldozed Palestine into the sea.

No mention here of settlements. BTW it is felt in some quarters that Hamas is a "creation" of Mossad.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

No mention here of settlements.

Shall we arm the Palestinians and help even the odds a bit?
We have a rather fuzzy ME policy anyway. Maybe Hamas would fight the Syrians for us.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Yep.

PS - You're in trouble now.

No more than you are (unless being disagreed with is "trouble").

The thing you're both doing is claiming that those of us who are critical of the actions of the IDF and the current government are totally okay with the violence perpetrated by Palestinian. That's silly, of course, but it does give you a convenient pretext for dismissing our arguments.