Roseburg, Oregon School Shooting

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

BTW Obama's rant today looked like shit to anyone who has compassion.

And compared to Jeb!'s comforting "stuff happens"?

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[Pio1980]

Apparently the Sher'f is 'that' kind of idiot.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/john-hanlin-sandy-hook-truther

Sheriff In Charge Of Oregon Massacre Probe Posted Sandy Hook Truther Video - http://huff.to/1L911hG

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[mpholland]

I guess you can make statistics say just about anything you want. Statistics are designed to be misleading. The only reason they exist is to try and support a biased hypothesis. Doesn't really help with solving the problem though. If murder is on the rise is the problem getting worse? If the rate is decreasing does that mean that the problem is in the midst of solution? According to the FBI murders have decreased over the last 6 years, while according to Gallup, personal firearm ownership has been on the rise. Look at the number of homicides between handguns vs rifles and I wonder why we are so up in arms over "assault" style rifles instead of handguns. Seems we really don't care about facts, unless of course they fit our mindset. Then we can defend the way we think while trying to invalidate other sources.

Murder Victims by Weapon, 2009–2013


Murder by State, Types of Weapons, 2014


Gallup gun ownership poll.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lin

Yes. I don't agree at all that we should just throw up our arms and come to terms with this being reality in America, and that nothing can be done about it. Furthermore, I'm vehemently opposed to citizens being armed in public, especially those without formal training, it's not a solution, it's madness. I recently had a discussion with a family member who's ex-army and in the process of getting his concealed-carry in NJ. He claims the qualification process is not trivial, and generally tows the whole NRA Good Guy With A Gun line as further rationalization. But some of my concerns would include: When is the last time this Good Guy With A Gun was at the firing range? Is he having a bad day today emotionally? Is he on medication? Is he taking drugs for recreational purposes?

I believe everyone arming themselves is only going to make matters worse. We need to confront the insane overabundance of firearms in the U.S., their ready availability, and of course, the social and political turmoil that's lead us to this point, and ask ourselves whether it's more important to "exercise your 2nd amendment right" or start down a path of removing guns from our society. I admit this is an intimidating proposition, and I certainly don't have specific answers for how to go about it. The longer this nonsense goes on, however, the more I find myself moving toward a hard-line stance on gun control - more specifically gun removal.



I like this!

Most Americans would come eventually to see gun control in the same light as Social Security...something that made the US better. I have walked the streets of Singapore at 1 am and you cannot imagine how good it feels knowing you are not going to get shot.

I will give up my need to own a three-round burst semi-automatic weapon if it means one life is going to be saved. Those rifles belong in Iraq, not in my living room or at Starbucks.
I don't need it, and I trust those who have been professionally trained with them (the police, the SWAT teams, the US military) to use them to protect me should the need arise.

At the end of the day these massacres are being carried out by people with clean records.

[bobabode]

Well said, Robbin.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Well said, Robbin.

Thanks.


I don't even want to open the LA Times today this is just so depressing.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Apparently the Sher'f is 'that' kind of idiot.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...y-hook-truther

Sheriff In Charge Of Oregon Massacre Probe Posted Sandy Hook Truther Video - http://huff.to/1L911hG

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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...gs-about-guns/

Wow!

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by bobabode

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...gs-about-guns/

Wow!

Tragically ironic.
This asshole mocks the Sandy Hook tragedy, yet gets this dose of reality laid at his doorstep.

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[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Almost 10,000 dead this year, already. Over 20,000 injured.

Yeah, "Nothing to See Here, Folks."

What's the stats on auto accidents each year?



Annual United States Road Crash Statistics

Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year

An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled

Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year

Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20

Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person

Road crashes are the single greatest annual cause of death of healthy U.S. citizens traveling abroad
http://asirt.org/initiatives/informi...ash-statistics


Alcohol-Related Crashes: In 2013, 10,076 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes (any fatal crash involving a driver with a blood-alcohol content (BAC) of 0.08 percent or higher), down 2.5 percent from 10,336 in 2012. Of the persons who were killed in traffic crashes in 2013, 31 percent died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. In 2010, drunk driving alone accounted for 18% of the total economic loss from motor vehicle crashes, costing the economy as much as $199 billion in direct and quality-of-life losses

Cell Phone Use: In April 2014, NHTSA released the results of the latest National Occupant Protection Use Survey (NOPUS), which found that in 2012, 1.5 percent of drivers were text-messaging or visibly manipulating hand-held devices, up from 1.3 percent in 2011. NHTSA says that the 2012 increase was not statistically significant. Driver use of hand-held cellphones was 5 percent in 2012 for the fourth year running. Hand-held cellphone use was highest among 16- to 24-year olds (6 percent in 2012) and lowest among drivers 70 and older (1 percent in 2012).

A State Farm study released in late 2012 found that among drivers age 18 to 29, almost half (48 percent) accessed the Internet on a cell phone while driving. One-third of those drivers (36 percent) read social media networks while driving. Almost half of those drivers (43 percent) checked their email while driving. Other age groups engaged in these activities less frequently.


http://www.rmiia.org/auto/traffic_sa...of_crashes.asp

Dave, we need to take peoples Cars, Phones and Booz away if in fact the only reason for taking guns away is to stop deaths. The fact is it's the operator not the tool, you can't controll the actions of people at a given moment. As our population grows so does everything that causes death and that's just part of life. The problem is the left wants to controll everyones life and that's not freedom, not even close.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

What's the stats on auto accidents each year?



Annual United States Road Crash Statistics

Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year

An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled

Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year

Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20

Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person

Road crashes are the single greatest annual cause of death of healthy U.S. citizens traveling abroad
http://asirt.org/initiatives/informi...ash-statistics


Alcohol-Related Crashes: In 2013, 10,076 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes (any fatal crash involving a driver with a blood-alcohol content (BAC) of 0.08 percent or higher), down 2.5 percent from 10,336 in 2012. Of the persons who were killed in traffic crashes in 2013, 31 percent died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. In 2010, drunk driving alone accounted for 18% of the total economic loss from motor vehicle crashes, costing the economy as much as $199 billion in direct and quality-of-life losses

Cell Phone Use: In April 2014, NHTSA released the results of the latest National Occupant Protection Use Survey (NOPUS), which found that in 2012, 1.5 percent of drivers were text-messaging or visibly manipulating hand-held devices, up from 1.3 percent in 2011. NHTSA says that the 2012 increase was not statistically significant. Driver use of hand-held cellphones was 5 percent in 2012 for the fourth year running. Hand-held cellphone use was highest among 16- to 24-year olds (6 percent in 2012) and lowest among drivers 70 and older (1 percent in 2012).

A State Farm study released in late 2012 found that among drivers age 18 to 29, almost half (48 percent) accessed the Internet on a cell phone while driving. One-third of those drivers (36 percent) read social media networks while driving. Almost half of those drivers (43 percent) checked their email while driving. Other age groups engaged in these activities less frequently.


http://www.rmiia.org/auto/traffic_sa...of_crashes.asp

Dave, we need to take peoples Cars, Phones and Booz away if in fact the only reason for taking guns away is to stop deaths. The fact is it's the operator not the tool, you can't controll the actions of people at a given moment. As our population grows so does everything that causes death and that's just part of life. The problem is the left wants to controll everyones life and that's not freedom, not even close.

Nothing you posted has a goddamn thing to do with gun related deaths. NOTHING.

Gun related deaths cannot happen without guns. Get it?

They are ONLY committed with guns.

Everything else is a separate issue.