Trumps is in! - Page 45

djv8ga · #**441** 08-26-2015, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode

Better get rid of that 'Oath Keepers' and 'Trump' bumper stickers before you cross the border, DJ.

I go down there close to the border almost weekly.

My trucks all have Mexican insurance stickers all over them.

Boreas · #**442** 08-26-2015, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BeamOn

There is a difference John and if there isn't, why do people go out of their way to gain birth citizenship for their children? Legally there is no difference in rights except a naturalized citizenship can be revoked, though rare.

The rights of citizenship are the same, regardless of whether by birth or by naturalization.

As to going out of one's way, that's a trick question, isn't it?

But if we're talking about few people who come here undocumented for the purpose of gaining citizenship for their children, the answer is easy. In those cases, citizenship is automatically conferred on the child. Not only is it automatic, but it's free. The process of naturalization takes time, effort and not a little bit of money.

By the way, native born Americans can have citizenship revoked too.

Rajoo · #**443** 08-26-2015, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas

The rights of citizenship are the same, regardless of whether by birth or by naturalization.

As to going out of one's way, that's a trick question, isn't it?

But if we're talking about few people who come here undocumented for the purpose of gaining citizenship for their children, the answer is easy. In those cases, citizenship is automatically conferred on the child. Not only is it automatic, but it's free. The process of naturalization takes time, effort and not a little bit of money.

By the way, native born Americans can have citizenship revoked too.

I was not talking about undocumented immigrants and am neutral on this subject. It is difficult to pass judgement on people that are gainfully employed in most cases and our economy needs them in our workforce.

On the rest our perceptions are different.

donquixote99 · #**444** 08-26-2015, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I can tell by watching him on the youtube video.

He's got a smart mouth on him.

You don't come up here from Mexico, get yourself naturalized and then start bitching about how things are done.

Bitchin is a privilege reserved for us who have paid our dues by living our whole lives here.

Nativist bias.

Nativism is racism.

donquixote99 · #**445** 08-26-2015, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas

First of all, what TJ saw on YouTube was Ramos going after Trump for his absurd and racist diatribes against Mexico and Mexicans. He was not, as Tom suggested, bitching about the country.

And what if he was? If you love a country, it doesn't mean you ignore its faults. A true patriot will speak out and do what he or she can to correct those faults, making the country they love even better.

And, Rajoo, your last sentence reads more like the words of a guest than a citizen. "Mustn't be rude to the host!"

There are not two tiers of citizenship here.

You're goddamn right.

finnbow · #**446** 08-26-2015, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I can tell by watching him on the youtube video.

He's got a smart mouth on him.

You don't come up here from Mexico, get yourself naturalized and then start bitching about how things are done.

Bitchin is a privilege reserved for us who have paid our dues by living our whole lives here.

You just think you have more right to bitch and moan, a fact not lost on any of us here.