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08-13-2015, 10:06 AM
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So the moral of this real story is 'if a teenager gets inebriated, acts crazy and is destroying property (doesn't this happen a lot in campus towns?)', they will get killed? Where is the concept of just punishment? So we are a Police State.
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08-13-2015, 10:28 AM
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So the moral of this real story is 'if a teenager gets inebriated, acts crazy and is destroying property (doesn't this happen a lot in campus towns?)', they will get killed? Where is the concept of just punishment? So we are a Police State.
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Not necessarily. Not if they're white.
And, yes, we are a police state now, a racist police state run by and for billionaires.
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08-13-2015, 10:43 AM
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Attacked by a crazy guy doing something he wasn't supposed to do in a place he wasn't supposed to be? I don't anticipate any charges sticking.
"Fired?" Because he was still in field training, you don't need any particular reason beyond the convenience of placating.
I doubt this goes anywhere and someone that had completed training wouldn't have an issue (although it can be argued that someone who had completed training may have reacted differently).
Crazies aren't excused merely because they're crazy and this guy is being metaphorically hung for going solo, not necessarily for his action(s).
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Zeke...has there ever been a "bad shoot"? If so, just give us one. Please...Zeke...enlighten us so we have a clue as to what we should be looking for.
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08-13-2015, 02:26 PM
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The one where an officer cannot articulate any semblance of immediate danger to self or others?
When you find that, call me.
As for the metaphorical inebriated teen? If he places an officer in fear of his life, lethal force is 100% fair game.
And? That's on him.
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08-13-2015, 02:41 PM
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The one where an officer cannot articulate any semblance of immediate danger to self or others?
When you find that, call me.
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So, they're all good shoots, right, Zeke?
Yeah, that's what we thought.
When Michael Slager murdered Walter Scott, he was able to articulate a sense of immediate danger after he gunned down an unarmed fleeing man. That articulated fear would have held up too, had already been accepted, until the citizen video of the murder surfaced.
Dontcha hate when that happens, Bluey?
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As for the metaphorical inebriated teen? If he places an officer in fear of his life, lethal force is 100% fair game.
And? That's on him.
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The metaphorical dead one?
(You need to look up "metaphor".)
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08-13-2015, 02:45 PM
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The one where an officer cannot articulate any semblance of immediate danger to self or others?
When you find that, call me.
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That's not even no I can't. That's go fuck yourself.
Not that it wasn't clear already...but this confirms your credibility on this issue is zero.
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08-13-2015, 04:56 PM
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What does it really mean, "an officer cannot articulate........"? Is that like parsing?
In simple language please since English is my second language.
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08-13-2015, 05:33 PM
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That's not even no I can't. That's go fuck yourself.
Not that it wasn't clear already...but this confirms your credibility on this issue is zero.
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His credibility has risen that high?
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08-13-2015, 05:39 PM
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What does it really mean, "an officer cannot articulate........"? Is that like parsing?
In simple language please since English is my second language. 
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Zeke has shown no ability to post in plain English. He seems to be able to express himself only in a fractured, pseudointellectual, overly mannered and misconstructed version of the language.
As hard as it was to sift through the prose in that last post of his, I think it's safe to suggest that Zeke is trying to say that any cop who is able to clearly state that he had a fear that his or another's life or safety was at risk is free to do any damn thing he wants to. This, as a moral proposition, is pure bullshit but, as a statement of the realities of modern police practices, it's all too true.
Even when there is conclusive contradictory evidence, such as was the case with Daniel Pantaleo choking out Eric Garner or Timothy Loehmann shooting Tamir Rice and then watching him die or Sean Williams gunning down John Crawford, all it takes is a "well articulated fear for one's personal safety" to get away with murder.
It remains to be seen whether Slager will walk on murdering Walter Scott or Tensing will skate for killing Samuel DuBose or Miller will get away with killing Christian Taylor. My guess is they will.
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08-13-2015, 05:50 PM
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So, basically, I was right.
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