Four Marines Killed In Tennessee

[icenine]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

That aside, given the increasing # of attacks on military personnel/installations and the very effective marketing campaign ISIS (or whoever you want to call them) is waging - calling repeatedly over social media to attack the military here in the US, publishing names/addresses of military personnel - it would seem logical to increase security at all installations.

Common sense, to me.

As one who drives on to a military base everyday the above is not a solution....you just make the line longer outside the gate so a terrorist can just blow up all the people waiting in their cars.

The real problem is that any recent ISIS brainwashed convert can just waltz to nearest gun show and pick up some automatic weapons. THAT is the real issue.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Armed security guards make perfect sense in many cases. Keeping all stateside service members locked-and-loaded is a catastrophe (or many catastrophes) waiting to happen, however.

Plus this is a recruiting station....open carry at the Marine Corps recruiter office will scare the parents of little Jack and Jill who wants to join the USMC....public relations plays a big factor at these career centers.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

Plus this is a recruiting station....open carry at the Marine Corps recruiter office will scare the parents of little Jack and Jill who wants to join the USMC....public relations plays a big factor at these career centers.

Why?

It's not called the Armed Forces for no reason.

Civilian cops always have guns on their hips.

Doesn't seem to deter their recruiting.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I really don't like the no guns policy for Military personnel.

I would have no problem with recruiters wearing sidearms and with them having some rifles locked up in the back room. Hell we let fat assed civilian cops wear them everywhere and the military is a Helluva lot better trained than they are. (With the exception of the Air Farce of course).

And how exactly would that have helped stop a guy driving up in a rented convertible and unloading a magazine through the front window from the parking lot?

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Why?

It's not called the Armed Forces for no reason.

Civilian cops always have guns on their hips.

Doesn't seem to deter their recruiting.

Many parents are wary of their kids joining the military. Having a recruiting station looking like an FOB in Iraq will turn off many who are cautious or ambivalent about enlisting.

Maybe this does not apply as much today in our bad economy as it did before when the military had a hard time getting people to join.

They do not execute or give life sentences to AWOL/deserters either for the same reason...public relations. If they find an old person who left the military AWOL 30 years ago they usually just quietly discharge them.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I really don't like the no guns policy for Military personnel.

I would have no problem with recruiters wearing sidearms and with them having some rifles locked up in the back room. Hell we let fat assed civilian cops wear them everywhere and the military is a Helluva lot better trained than they are. (With the exception of the Air Farce of course).

Just because you have weapons locked up does not mean you are ready for a terrorists. To station armed guards at every recruiting station in the USA would be a huge financial and personnel burden on the armed forces. The recruiters cannot go out into the community with weapons on plus they cannot guard their stores and recruit at the same time.

Obviously you left the Air Force eons ago

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

And how exactly would that have helped stop a guy driving up in a rented convertible and unloading a magazine through the front window from the parking lot?

First of all he might have thought twice about trying it if he knew those Marines could return fire. Second of all any kind of return fire is likely going to throw off the shooters accuracy, and/or cause him to break off the attack sooner.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

You're absolutely right finn. That's how all branches of the military work with live rounds. They're never going to change it. You open the ammo box and you better have a reason. You open fire on somebody in a public place and you better have authorization...even authorization from the almighty doesn't cover it. When you take the oath you can give your heart to Jesus, but your ass belongs to the Corps.

I walked remote guard posts at Camp Pendleton and my weapon was a night stick. Marines aren't going to be walking around the strip mall with a loaded sidearm on their hip. It's ridiculous. If the Pentagon believes it's too dangerous for personnel to be unarmed in the strip mall, they're close the recruiting offices before they have loaded weapons in them. And we know they won't be closing the recruiting stations.

Yes

Even when I was in Iraq if a person fired his weapon in a non-combat situation...like someone who thought clear your weapon in front of the chow hall meant shooting a round into the sand barrel...there was a real big investigation.

If civilians were as careful and regulated as Armed Forces personnel we our gun problem would not be as bad.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

First of all he might have thought twice about trying it if he knew those Marines could return fire. Second of all any kind of return fire is likely going to throw off the shooters accuracy, and/or cause him to break off the attack sooner.

The dude seemed all too ready for his rendezvous with a passel of virgins.

Your solution would only work if we had bunkers built by the front door of every recruiting station and snipers on the roof. I'm not sure that strip malls owners would acquiesce to this.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

To station armed guards at every recruiting station in the USA would be a huge financial and personnel burden on the armed forces. The recruiters cannot go out into the community with weapons on plus they cannot guard their stores and recruit at the same time.

Obviously you left the Air Force eons ago

Who said armed guards?

The recruiters are in the military.

They can guard themselves, just issue them sidearms.

And if civilian cops can walk around the community with sidearms so can military personnel.