More guns = more gun violence.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

How will we get the guns away from people?

I'm not a bit sure we will. But if we ever do, it will depend on who's doing it and how big a hurry they are in. We can do it in about a generation the same way people were persuaded to love them. Just use ideological influences of every sort--school, media, pulpit. In a word, propaganda.

Or we can declare martial law, send the troops around, and kill anyone who resists. President Obama will never do that, but some future right-wing nazi might.

Donq.... Remember when everyone smoked cigarettes....
Took a generation of ideological influences to turn that around.
I think you are on the right track with your suggestion.

[hillbilly]

Originally Posted by barbara

Donq.... Remember when everyone smoked cigarettes....
Took a generation of ideological influences to turn that around.
I think you are on the right track with your suggestion.

Maybe things are different where you live, but I see people smoke here everywhere. Even a few factories allow it ( yes I know your in shock about it ) but with welders everywhere, burning steel, other chemicals and welding aluminum to steel under antifreeze the bosses say you got a risky job.. shut the fuck up and smoke all you want to.. the guy next to you'll probably die from the shit he breathes in this plant long before second hand smoke can do him a minute trace of detectable harm.

Not going to say which, but I was in a government building and they smoke in there.. ash tray on desk and tables.

Also saw an old man mailing a package in front of me and the folks behind the desk said not a word to the old guy paying his postage with a lit cigarette in his mouth. But that is not the government building I was referring to that ALLOWS it.

Also to be mentioned, you'll still read things about God in Government buildings here. Read something that surprised me the other day in the new building they set up. It wasn't always there as they just built this one not to long ago, and you'll read about God in there. And if you live here, you'll have to walk in that Government building at least twice a year.

We also have Bible History in public school ( not private, not Christian but public ). And prayers at school games, graduations to and being it's never a local that shouts out about the loudspeaker prayers.. we really don't care how they feel. Oh yeah, we still have paddles that Get Used On Children's Behinds in Public School here. Folks never believe they use paddles these days.. until they move here and nearly faint when they read it on the form you sign explaining it when they register their child for school.

Life differ much where you live?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

This isn't the UK. In America, you can bet the people will not willingly hand over their guns.

I'll ask this. How do yall expect to get peoples guns? You aren't going to be able to count on our military alone to take on this task. Reason I say that is because most of the military and vets I've talked to claim there is no way in hell that they would take part in it, but fight against it. Yes, I know some would, but some wouldn't. My point being it would divide our military. Yes, the UN could jump in and make it happen. But again, you really want to live through a time like that in this country? And know you wanted to make it happen?

So, are liberals seriously proud to say they'd look fwd to a major bloodbath in this country? I imagine it'd turn into one. I for one hope to never see it.

We plan to get the North Koreans to do it for us.

[hillbilly]

Originally Posted by Boreas

We plan to get the North Koreans to do it for us.

I'm not really worried about it. Seriously, the libs have been screaming since I can remember but they always fall flat on their face each time they get their hopes up that they'll see that magic vote that guns will be going bye bye.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

I'm not really worried about it. Seriously, the libs have been screaming since I can remember but they always fall flat on their face each time they get their hopes up that they'll see that magic vote that guns will be going bye bye.

Well...seriously, it's seriously personal for me. So you can fucking plan on me screaming as long as I'm around to scream.

[Pio1980]

My guns are just tools, they don't define me or my life. I could live without them but feel somewhat more secure out of city limits being able to defend myself and mine from assault.

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[hillbilly]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

My guns are just tools, they don't define me or my life. I could live without them but feel somewhat more secure out of city limits being able to defend myself and mine from assault.

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That is sorta how I am. Only difference is I don't appreciate anyone telling me that we're not mature enough to own guns, like Ikey Boy shouts. Heck even alot of girls have carry permits here, but I just don't see people getting all shot up by good guys here. Gosh, I know that a man got beat to death by another man bare handed and no weapons used ( both visiting our lake from other counties.. and a guy moved here from NY and stabbed a girl to death that was nice enough to rent him a room, but few gun cases. Very few, and not by a legal permit holder. You see, it's the scum that does the killing, and whether the honest folks have guns or not, they'll always have theirs. Just makes their balls grow bigger when they know the good folks don't have protection.

[Rajoo]

I am totally opposed to concealed weapons except for professionals. I don't see where the Second Amendment was meant to allow this. So if you carry a gun, do it openly so that everyone knows you are armed. It's only fair and wonder how many would really want carry a hand gun with them in public. I suspect not very many.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

I am totally opposed to concealed weapons except for professionals. I don't see where the Second Amendment was meant to allow this. So if you carry a gun, do it openly so that everyone knows you are armed. It's only fair and wonder how many would really want carry a hand gun with them in public. I suspect not very many.

I'm not understanding this. Lawful concealed carry is just more civilized than openly packing heat.

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[barbara]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

Maybe things are different where you live, but I see people smoke here everywhere. Even a few factories allow it ( yes I know your in shock about it ) but with welders everywhere, burning steel, other chemicals and welding aluminum to steel under antifreeze the bosses say you got a risky job.. shut the fuck up and smoke all you want to.. the guy next to you'll probably die from the shit he breathes in this plant long before second hand smoke can do him a minute trace of detectable harm.



Not going to say which, but I was in a government building and they smoke in there.. ash tray on desk and tables.



Also saw an old man mailing a package in front of me and the folks behind the desk said not a word to the old guy paying his postage with a lit cigarette in his mouth. But that is not the government building I was referring to that ALLOWS it.



Also to be mentioned, you'll still read things about God in Government buildings here. Read something that surprised me the other day in the new building they set up. It wasn't always there as they just built this one not to long ago, and you'll read about God in there. And if you live here, you'll have to walk in that Government building at least twice a year.



We also have Bible History in public school ( not private, not Christian but public ). And prayers at school games, graduations to and being it's never a local that shouts out about the loudspeaker prayers.. we really don't care how they feel. Oh yeah, we still have paddles that Get Used On Children's Behinds in Public School here. Folks never believe they use paddles these days.. until they move here and nearly faint when they read it on the form you sign explaining it when they register their child for school.



Life differ much where you live?

Yes, life is much different where I live.