More guns = more gun violence.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by barbara

And for every one successful defense...... There are forty three homicides by handguns

That just seems a bit lop sided to me.

In 2010, across the nation there were only 230 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm reported to the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program as detailed in its Supplementary Homicide Report (SHR) That same year, there were 8,275 criminal gun homicides tallied in the SHR. In 2010, for every justifiable homicide in the United States involving a gun, guns were used in 36 criminal homicides. And this ratio, of course, does not take into account the thousands of lives ended in gun suicides (19,392) or unintentional shootings (606) that year.

http://www.the-broad-side.com/guns-f...versus-reality

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by barbara

And for every one successful defense...... There are forty three homicides by handguns

That just seems a bit lop sided to me.

"My anecdote trumps your statistics every time."

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Boreas

"My anecdote trumps your statistics every time."

Nah.... Don't think so.

[barbara]

This doesn't surprise me:

http://www.businessinsider.com/congr...ewnewed-2015-7

[hillbilly]

This isn't the UK. In America, you can bet the people will not willingly hand over their guns.

I'll ask this. How do yall expect to get peoples guns? You aren't going to be able to count on our military alone to take on this task. Reason I say that is because most of the military and vets I've talked to claim there is no way in hell that they would take part in it, but fight against it. Yes, I know some would, but some wouldn't. My point being it would divide our military. Yes, the UN could jump in and make it happen. But again, you really want to live through a time like that in this country? And know you wanted to make it happen?

So, are liberals seriously proud to say they'd look fwd to a major bloodbath in this country? I imagine it'd turn into one. I for one hope to never see it.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by barbara

This doesn't surprise me:

http://www.businessinsider.com/congr...ewnewed-2015-7

From this link:

CDC data has indicated that guns will kill more Americans under 25 than cars in 2015, The Atlantic reported. More than 25% of teenagers ages 15 and older who die of injuries in the US are killed in gun-related incidents.

Collateral damage from the Second Amendment? And they don't get to vote.

And the standard answer from Bonehead: “I’m sorry, but a gun is not a disease. Guns don’t kill people — people do. And when people use weapons in a horrible way, we should condemn the actions of the individual and not blame the action on some weapon.”

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

http://www.the-broad-side.com/guns-f...versus-reality

I found a very similar lopsided number at...

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...-self-defense/

And the actual research report from the Violence Policy Center at...

http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf

The numbers from this report come to 32 to 1. So we're doing so much better as a gun culture than we used to back when the number was 43 to 1.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

This isn't the UK. In America, you can bet the people will not willingly hand over their guns.

I'll ask this. How do yall expect to get peoples guns? You aren't going to be able to count on our military alone to take on this task. Reason I say that is because most of the military and vets I've talked to claim there is no way in hell that they would take part in it, but fight against it. Yes, I know some would, but some wouldn't. My point being it would divide our military. Yes, the UN could jump in and make it happen. But again, you really want to live through a time like that in this country? And know you wanted to make it happen?

So, are liberals seriously proud to say they'd look fwd to a major bloodbath in this country? I imagine it'd turn into one. I for one hope to never see it.

This ain't the fuckin' UK...we're 'Murcans...nobody's takin' my gun but from my cold dead hands. I may have raging Alzheimer's disease but you're not gettin' my guns.

You're point, William is inane. And as a Marine Corps vet with six years in, three stripes on my sleeve, and a Rifle Expert Medal with the M-14...I'll tell ya that a whole lot of the last people I've run into who I ever want to see with access to firearms are fellow vets from the Corps.

It's simple. It becomes a felony to possess anything other than a long barreled non-automatically loading, non-gas operated, no clip hunting rifles, or a break down single shot long barreled hunting shotgun. All my creepy fellow vets who need a glock under their pillow can deal with a shotgun under their pillow...and they can have all of those they want. Don't want to take part in it? Don't want to willingly hand over your Beretta or your Smith and Wesson, snub nose .38? Fine...go directly to fucking jail, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. And I don't give a shit in Joe Dunford's utility cover if you don't like it. And if the military is recruited to do the job, then they follow orders and do it. Or they don't belong in the fucking military. STFU and do what you're told...this is not a discussion.

The people of this country have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they do not have the maturity to be the proud beneficiaries of a 2nd Amendment.

You either care about the next 20 or 30 innocent 6th grader victims of the next democratized gun bloodbath in this country or you fucking don't. Which side are you on, eh William? It's a simple question.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

So, are liberals seriously proud to say they'd look fwd to a major bloodbath in this country? I imagine it'd turn into one. I for one hope to never see it.

If you take a look at the statistics you will see we already do have a major bloodbath in this country.

[donquixote99]

How will we get the guns away from people?

I'm not a bit sure we will. But if we ever do, it will depend on who's doing it and how big a hurry they are in. We can do it in about a generation the same way people were persuaded to love them. Just use ideological influences of every sort--school, media, pulpit. In a word, propaganda.

Or we can declare martial law, send the troops around, and kill anyone who resists. President Obama will never do that, but some future right-wing nazi might.