U.S. Marshal Rips Phone From Hands Of Recording Bystander

[icenine]

Was that man in Baltimore killed inside a van by cops? Anyone tell me what happened?

[Rajoo]

The information on this case is still murky. Cops arrested Freddie Grey and he died while in custody. Rest for now is all speculation, of course an 'internal' investigation if being conducted and the six officers involved in this arrest has been suspended with pay. And as in Ferguson there is citizen outrage.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...ry.html#page=1

Here is an article.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...timore/391158/

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

"She was interfering with a police investigation and was dealt with. She should consider herself fortunate that she was not arrested for trespassing and obstruction of justice."

And the camera? Police thought this could be a weapon and she didn't surrender it. Anyone want to bet this won't fly?

A weapon? Sounds like Walmart and their sudden and tragic plumbing issues.

In other words it's blatant BS.

Dave

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by icenine

Was that man in Baltimore killed inside a van by cops? Anyone tell me what happened?

Freddie Gray died in the hospital a week after the arrest. He suffered a crushed larynx and several fractured cervical vertebrae which resulted in his spinal column being almost completely severed.

We don't know whether he suffered the fatal injuries before being loaded in the van, after being loaded or both. The citizen video doesn't show anything before Gray was lifted from the ground and dragged to the van and there is no video of his trip inside the van.

This is purely conjecture but I think the injuries to his larynx and vertebrae were inflicted by a cop who dropped his knee on the back of Gray's neck. Gray's neck may been resting on the curb at that time. The fact that Gray was screaming in pain and had no control over his legs as he was dragged to the van supports this.

Also supporting this are Gray's pleas, while in the van, for an inhaler. Gray was asthmatic and was having trouble breathing. It's possible that the injury to his spinal column had begun to manifest itself as difficulty in breathing and that it wasn't an asthma attack at all. In response to Gray's pleas, the cops stopped the van, went into the back and put Gray in leg irons.

The next phase would be the "nickel ride", a.k.a. "rattling the can", a.k.a. "screen test", the practice of bouncing a restrained suspect off the inside walls of the van by erratic and violent driving. If this were done, it's easy to understand how Gray went from having difficulty in breathing during his ride to being unresponsive and not breathing at all when he was unloaded.

[Zeke]

"He suffered a crushed larynx and several fractured cervical vertebrae which resulted in his spinal column being almost completely severed."

Which if incurred during the process of arrest is unfortunate but this is what can occur if you do not immediately submit. (No resistance means no need for force of any kind.)

If he was injured at that point? Officers are not typically trained medical professionals and this stuff is faked all of the time. Normal procedure is to secure the offender, transport, and analyze upon arrival at county where (around here) there is an on call nurse. If Gray was previously injured and nobody noticed? Also merely unfortunate.

If he was harmed worse -- with intent -- during the ride? That's criminal.

[matteos]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...its-perps.html

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

The information on this case is still murky. Cops arrested Freddie Grey and he died while in custody. Rest for now is all speculation, of course an 'internal' investigation if being conducted and the six officers involved in this arrest has been suspended with pay. And as in Ferguson there is citizen outrage.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...ry.html#page=1

Here is an article.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...timore/391158/

Not all just speculation. We do know that Freddie Gray went into a police van in much better shape than he was in later when he went into the hospital where he would die.

One of many many things in the Atlantic article: "Four investigators from agencies outside Baltimore are working to determine who left a dead rat on the car windshield of an officer who was cooperating with prosecutors on a police brutality case."

But there's no blue wall, my friends. No blue wall at all.

[Boreas]

Here's a thing.

In Baltimore they call it a "rough ride".

In Philly it's a "nickel ride".

In Boston it's a "screeen test" (because of the heavy mesh partition inside the paddy wagon.

Other places call it "rattling the can".

Seems to me that, any time you come up with a cute little nickname for a thing, that name is widely understood and the thing it describes routinely practiced.

Cops are so cool.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Zeke

If he was harmed worse -- with intent -- during the ride? That's criminal.

Which is looking more and more like what happened.

He was conscious and breathing, although perhaps with difficulty, when he went in the van. While en route, he was put in leg shackles, in addition to the cuffs he already wore, but not seat belted per SOP. When he arrived at the Western District HQ, he was unconscious and not breathing, basically dead.

Something happened, Zeke, and, based on other similar incidents in Baltimore (one of which was virtually identical) and elsewhere, I think we all know what that was.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Zeke

"He suffered a crushed larynx and several fractured cervical vertebrae which resulted in his spinal column being almost completely severed."

Which if incurred during the process of arrest is unfortunate but this is what can occur if you do not immediately submit. (No resistance means no need for force of any kind.)

If he was injured at that point? Officers are not typically trained medical professionals and this stuff is faked all of the time. Normal procedure is to secure the offender, transport, and analyze upon arrival at county where (around here) there is an on call nurse. If Gray was previously injured and nobody noticed? Also merely unfortunate.

If he was harmed worse -- with intent -- during the ride? That's criminal.

Unfortunate...your ass. The Mayor and Police Commissioner both have reported that officers reported that he was conscious and requesting medical care when they dragged him screaming in pain into the wagon. They did not provide medical care and when they dragged him out of the wagon and into the station house he was unconscious. By the time he was taken to the hospital he was comatose. They killed him.