Religious Freedom Bill in Indiana.

[bobabode]

...and now for a musical interlude courtesy of Badfinger from the movie 'The Magic Christian'. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tOnbeNAxdU


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magic_Christian_(film)

[bobabode]

Anyone who parrots the RNC line that Indiana's law has nothing to do with discrimination, read this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z1

"Amid the backlash over Indiana’s controversial religious liberties law, Gov. Mike Pence (R) and other state officials insisted the measure was never intended to permit business owners to deny service to gays and lesbians.
But that is not entirely true."

"For the socially conservative organizations that proposed the measure, protecting the right of Christians to opt out of any involvement in gay marriage ceremonies was a primary goal. And they underscored that fact two weeks ago, immediately after Pence signed the measure into law.
“VICTORY AT THE STATEHOUSE!” proclaimed a press release from Advance America, a conservative group whose leader, Eric Miller, was invited to join Pence at a private signing ceremony at the statehouse. “Christian bakers, florists and photographers should not be punished for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage!” WaPo

[Rajoo]

A good condensation on this topic.

Politics, Money And Religion: 5 Things We Learned From Indiana's RFRA Debate

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michelin...s-rfra-debate/

And there is a different reaction from the religious right, Pence has now become a RINO and the RFRA fix in Indiana may cause "Christian's to be jailed for upholding their religious belief".

Twenty other states have similar laws on their books and wonder what would happen in those states, though none as overt and far reaching as Indiana.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

...... the RFRA fix in Indiana may cause "Christian's to be jailed for upholding their religious belief".

You say that like it's a bad thing.

John

[Oerets]

Bottom line for me is a simple one. In this country it is not illegal to be in a same sex relationship. There is a intended separation of church and state.

So suck it up to those who wish for these laws, and be a bigot spewing your hate in silence. Till you die and then I hope your failings will be forgiven by a merciful creator.



Barney

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Bottom line for me is a simple one. In this country it is not illegal to be in a same sex relationship. There is a intended separation of church and state.

So suck it up to those who wish for these laws, and be a bigot spewing your hate in silence. Till you die and then I hope your failings will be forgiven by a merciful creator.



Barney

I suspect their allegiance has long been to much warmer realm. Old Scratch rules there.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I pity you Whell, you are truly a moronic troll.

Originally Posted by whell

It's my life's goal.

I believe you. And it beats shooting up a school, I guess.

This will be the very last post I address to you, for all of time.

[Ike Bana]

Not really. But If I were, this is the sign I would put in my door:

"Dear Valued Patrons.

Due to my sincerely held religious beliefs, and in light of the RFRA, recently signed by our Dear Leader Pence, I will no longer be doing business with the following persons; nor permitting them in my establishment:

1. Divorcees. Matthew 19:9: “And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery.”

2. Anyone who has ever read their horoscope or called a psychic hotline. Leviticus 20:6: "As for the person who turns to mediums and to spiritists, to play the harlot after them, I will also set My face against that person and will cut him off from among his people."

3. Anyone with a tattoo. Leviticus 19:28 "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord."

4. Anyone born illegitimately. Also, anyone who, back to ten generations, is descended from someone born illegitimately. If you can not PROVE, using appropriate church sources, that ten generations of your family were born in wedlock, I will have to err on the side of caution and not serve you. Deuteronomy 23:2 "No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the LORD; none of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the assembly of the LORD."

5. Anyone who makes a practice of praying aloud, or in public. Matthew 6:5-6 "When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."

6. Any woman with braided hair or gold jewelry. Just to be on the safe side, NO jewelry at all. 1 Timothy 2:9 "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments."

7. Any man who has ever, by accident or not, had his genitals damaged. (Current interpretation of this scripture is under debate, so just to be safe, if you've had a vesectomy, or testicular cancer, I can't serve you. I apologize for the inconvenience but I am worried for my soul.) Deuteronomy 23:1 "A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord."

8. Please don't bring your kids in if they have a bowl cut. Leviticus 19:27 reads "You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard."

For those of you complaining that some of these scriptures are from the Old Testament, and that Jesus came to redeem us from these laws, I refer you to Matthew 5:17-19, where Our Savior himself says: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven"

Again, I am sorry for the inconvenience. It's nothing personal, "love the sinner but hate the sin," and all, but I simply can't serve anyone who would blatantly disregard God's sacred law in such a fashion.

Of course this would never happen. People don't not serve gays because they find it against God's Law. They do it, by and large, because "teh gays are icky." Jesus had dinner with prostitutes and tax collectors. Get over yourselves.

From:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...ner-in-Indiana

Number 7...now there's a question I'm going to really enjoy asking every guy who wanders into my booth at the antique mall in Muncie. "Dude...have you ever had your balls crushed or your dick lopped off? If so...get the fuck out."

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I believe you. And it beats shooting up a school, I guess.

This will be the very last post I address to you, for all of time.

Little Donny's gonna take his ball and go home. boo hoo.

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Anyone who parrots the RNC line that Indiana's law has nothing to do with discrimination, read this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z1

"Amid the backlash over Indiana’s controversial religious liberties law, Gov. Mike Pence (R) and other state officials insisted the measure was never intended to permit business owners to deny service to gays and lesbians.
But that is not entirely true."

"For the socially conservative organizations that proposed the measure, protecting the right of Christians to opt out of any involvement in gay marriage ceremonies was a primary goal. And they underscored that fact two weeks ago, immediately after Pence signed the measure into law.
“VICTORY AT THE STATEHOUSE!” proclaimed a press release from Advance America, a conservative group whose leader, Eric Miller, was invited to join Pence at a private signing ceremony at the statehouse. “Christian bakers, florists and photographers should not be punished for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage!” WaPo

From your link:

In Oregon, the owner of Sweet Cakes by Melissa was fined in February for refusing to bake a cake for a lesbian couple. Last spring, a Colorado judge found that the owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop unlawfully discriminated against a gay couple by refusing to bake a cake for their wedding reception.

And in the case that led the push to pass state-level religious-freedom laws, Elane Photography in New Mexico was sanctioned in 2007 for refusing to shoot a lesbian commitment ceremony.

Most recently, 70-year-old florist Barronelle Stutzman was fined $1,000 last week for violating Washington state’s nondiscrimination law by refusing to create arrangements for the wedding of a longtime customer, a man she has said she considered a friend. A judge also directed her to provide services for same-sex weddings in the future.

I guess we MUST have the State arbiter who we can and cannot choose to sell our products to. Lovely.