Ferguson redux

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

I (we) also have no way of knowing if contact was initiated civilly or confrontationally disrespectful before the altercation,

Yes, we do. Wilson has admitted that he yelled, "Hey, get out of the fucking street!" and then reversed violently back toward Brown and his friend, nearly striking them.

John

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Yes, we do. Wilson has admitted that he yelled, "Hey, get out of the fucking street!" and then reversed violently back toward Brown and his friend, nearly striking them.

John

Did I loose that somewhere in all the "allegedlys"?

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Yes, we do. Wilson has admitted that he yelled, "Hey, get out of the fucking street!" and then reversed violently back toward Brown and his friend, nearly striking them.

John

Not according to a google of your alleged Wilson quote.

[donquixote99]

I read Capehart's column.

The fight in the car analysis is interesting, but in the end not on point. Brown was not fatally shot at the car, and whatever he did at the car does not justify shooting him while he's trying to flee, or surrender.

That said, I accept Capehart's and the DOJ analysis of the witness statements regarding what transpired when Brown was killed. Brown was advancing on Wilson, and did not have his hands up. If we accept that as the case, the shooting is justified. I said exactly this a long time ago, but I've not heard persons whose opinions I respect come to that conclusion, until now. It is an opinion call, based on analysis and weighing of contradictory witness statements, not on forensic evidence.

However. There is a final 'however.' If Brown turned around because Wilson was firing at his back (and missing), then THOSE shots were criminal acts on the part of Wilson.

[sheltiedave]

If Brown was
a) running
b) charging
c) racing
toward Wilson, then he would have bounced and skidded on his chin and face when he face planted. His face would have surface abrasions that would support that he was moving forward at some rate of speed.

There were no significant abrasions.

Of all the witnesses whose accounts I read, and I read them all, the one that made sense did not make a clear story. It was the retired gentleman who knew Big Mike, and saw him fleeing, stop, look at his arm, and slowly walk stumble back toward Wilson, struggling to keep his feet under him.

As far as Dorian's testimony goes, he was not a long term friend of Brown's. He knew him, felt Brown was on the up and up, and happened to walk with him to the store. He was not a huge proponent of the "hands up" that you all are making him out to be.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Well Praise Jaysus!

The Right Winges has gots themselves a House Nigga!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLup3ye_gIo

You're scum.

Brown got what he earned.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by nailer

Not according to a google of your alleged Wilson quote.

Does the google refute it?

Actually, you're right. Wilson said, "Get the fuck on the sidewalk!"

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Your post was intended to be provocative, yes?


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Duh?

Absolutely, you could see that from space!

Nonetheless, Finn and Zeke both still took the bait.

Originally Posted by Zeke

You're scum.

Brown got what he earned.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

As far as Dorian's testimony goes, he was not a long term friend of Brown's. He knew him, felt Brown was on the up and up, and happened to walk with him to the store. He was not a huge proponent of the "hands up" that you all are making him out to be.

I remember that there was a big push to discredit Johnson's account because he had an outstanding warrant for his arrest.

I have to admit that I bought into that, until I found out that the Ferguson Gestapo had issued a total of 40,000 such warrants on Ferguson's 16,000 residents.

[icenine]

Capehart is angling for an MSNBC show, since the network is moving toward the right. One might as well turn on Fox News instead of Morning Joe.