Obama is coming for your guns!

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by CarlV

So where's the NRA shill to continually repeat their talking points rather than provide a valid argument to anything at all? Where the guys that wanted a gun thread anyway? lol


Carl

Sissies...

[matteos]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Know what?

I don't care what their intent was.

That was then, this is now.

Trying to live by a document that was written 240 years ago is like trying to tool down the New Jersey Turnpike in a horse drawn cart. Those people lived in a completely different world than we do. This whole Constitution thing is in need of a serious update.

No it doesn't. The constitution is fine just as it is. Trying to say it reads like Olde English from the 14 century is disingenuous at best. Essential freedoms do not change. Sure we can add more essential freedoms, but trying to remove them (Like repealing the second amendment). No thanks.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by matteos

No it doesn't. The constitution is fine just as it is. Trying to say it reads like Olde English from the 14 century is disingenuous at best. Essential freedoms do not change. Sure we can add more essential freedoms, but trying to remove them (Like repealing the second amendment). No thanks.

What do you like about the 2nd. Amendment?

John

[matteos]

Originally Posted by Boreas

What do you like about the 2nd. Amendment?

John

The right to carry guns for defense.

I lived in the UK for the first 24 years of my life, where you know you're very unlikely to be shot. You are however more likely to get into a fist fight or be stabbed. I'd rather have the freedom along with its downsides than the lack of it with its upsides.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by matteos

Trying to say it reads like Olde English from the 14 century is disingenuous at best.

What's disingenuous is coming onto an internet forum with a right wing agenda so obvious it could be seen from space while claiming to be a "liberal".

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by matteos

The right to carry guns for defense.

You do understand that the 2nd Amendment wasn't drafted for that purpose, right?

Also, what sort of situations do you think you're likely to encounter where having a weapon on your person is likely to be of help in self-defense?

John

[matteos]

Originally Posted by Boreas

You do understand that the 2nd Amendment wasn't drafted for that purpose, right?

Also, what sort of situations do you think you're likely to encounter where having a weapon on your person is likely to be of help in self-defense?

John

How was it not? The right to defend yourself from a tyrannical government.

[matteos]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

What's disingenuous is coming onto an internet forum with a right wing agenda so obvious it could be seen from space while claiming to be a "liberal".

From your world view anything right of Lenin is Right Wing.

You are a left wing troll. Please stop calling yourself a liberal. The fact that you cannot allow others to hold views that differ to yours without resorting to ridicule and insults shows that you have no idea what a liberal actually is.

[matteos]

Originally Posted by Boreas

You do understand that the 2nd Amendment wasn't drafted for that purpose, right?

Also, what sort of situations do you think you're likely to encounter where having a weapon on your person is likely to be of help in self-defense?

John

Home invasion.

I've had bullets fired into my apartment before. Some idiot driving by shooting randomly. You may advocate this is a reason to get rid of guns... Perhaps. But I don't see how it is feasibly possible to recall 200 million guns off the streets. Never going to happen. This society is armed to the teeth. You can get law abiding citizens to give up guns. But idiots like the person who shot through my window, they never will. You can arrest them after the fact (maybe, guy was never caught). But banning guns will just leave the average person defenseless.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by matteos

How was it not? The right to defend yourself from a tyrannical government.

You know, I agree that was the purpose. "Security of a free state," given other things written around that time, should be taken to mean 'keeping the free state secure from the threat of government usurpation.' Now, how has that idea worked out?

Meanwhile, what sort of things have militias gotten up to instead, here and elsewhere? Between the KKK, the Brownshirts, and Clive Bundy, I'm pretty sour on the uses of militias.