IS/Daesh Burn POW Alive

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Then am I to understand that you are one of the crew that advocates sending our young men and women over there to engage in hand to hand combat? With an enemy that dresses just like all the civilians around them? Sorry DQ but your pious mutterings do not carry much weight,

I read most new posts in this group and I must confess that the absolute bias exhibited by many posters is appalling. Y'all cheerfully select which bits of history fit with your particular view and ignore the bits that do not. You have put me into some special pigeon hole of your own making and ignored anyting that I write which will not fit that pattern. You do not know me simply because you have no desire to know me. That is fine by me because I have no need of your acceptance or friendship. Tata

I'd rather see other people's young men bear this particular burden, those of countries that are much more directly threatened than we are by ISIS. In any case I'm dubious of generalship that advocates a tactic that won't work, while shying away from alternatives that will, though insisting that destroying the enemy is an urgent and dire necessity.

I am glad you find yourself a clear-eyed student of history in a sea of selective, biased, and error-prone persons. Are you going to tell us our loyalty to Western values is suspect next?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Rob hasn't been calling people around here names, at least.

Tough shit. Ignore me if it's quite so upsetting.

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I'd hate to hear how you talk when you are under the influence of hate and anger.

Maybe I should study your style as you have the most pleasant and friendly way of name calling. What are you rob's goddamn father? You are the bull-goose looney sideways shame-monger on this forum.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by icenine

ISIS exists because Saddam Hussein was overthrown, creating the disenfranchisement of Sunnis in northern Iraq. I am not excusing their atrocities by any means. But if Saddam was still in power ISIS would not be inviting foreign fighters from all over the world to come join them in Anbar province.


You can have a right to your opinion, but you do not have the right ignore to the facts. When we broke the state structure of Iraq in 2003 we did not count on the insurgency, Al Qaeda In Iraq, the 2006-2008 civil war, we did not foresee the destruction of Syria by Assad/Al Nusra/ISIS, and we could not predict that a power vacuum in northern Syria would lead to the dissolution of state borders.

The United States wanted to bring democracy to the Middle East, not ISIS.
Powell was right. We broke it....who knows if it can be fixed.

And therein lies the fallacy Robbin because Islam and Democracy are intellectually incompatible. I grew up in pre WW II Quebec and I do believe I know a priest ridden society when I see one. The sons either became priests, doctors or lawyers or stayed on the farm. But then as a song said 'how are you gonna keep them down on the farm after they've seen Paree'. The men came back from the war with a changed outlook and decided that was not for them. They became engineers, artists, whatever they wanted and built a very different province.

In my mind's eye if you say Arab Muslim I see unkempt mullah ridden bearded men rioting in the streets shaking their fists at the heavens. Or else they are kneeling on a bit of carpet banging their heads on the floor. But doing productive work? Not hardly, that is the job of their womenkind, and frankly we are not much better as far as women are concerned. I am amazed at the number of women here that were never baptized, at least I can only assume that is the reason why they do not have given names.

Why is it that other predominately Muslim countries allow their women to dress appropriately for the climate? And seem to offer them the respect that is their due? Perhaps they have never gotten over the loss of the Ottoman Empire. Well sorry guys but empires come and empires go, 'tis the way of the world. Ask the Romans and the British (and any thoughtful American).

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by merrylander

And therein lies the fallacy Robbin because Islam and Democracy are intellectually incompatible.

You are absolutely goddamn skippy. And isn't it interesting that progressives all across the fruited plain would suggest that it's Israel, the only democracy in the region, and the only people that we can trust not to be funding Islamic maniacs with flight training to murder us 3,000 at a crack, who are committing atrocities.

The fallacy and lies fed to the idiotic American electorate who put George Bush back in office in 2004, knowing exactly what he was up to, has nothing to do with the fucking FACT, since Ice seems so fixated on facts, that the Islamic fundamentalist murder and mayhem is going on all over the planet, in places totally unaffected by the end of the Saddam regime, and in places totally unaffected by the partition of Israel. There are flaws in the culture and in the religious traditions that have generated this.

There are crazy-ass Christians all over this country in their little enclaves with their spiritual leaders raping 11 year old girls handed over to them by their pious fucking parents all day long...but never like the shit going on in in eastern Syria and Northern Iraq. Can't ya just imagine a columns of tanks, armored personnel carriers, and maniacal executioners with blunt pocket knives waving the flag of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian rolling into San Francisco, beheading any black, Latino, gay, Jew, or outspoken female resident they disapprove of with a tarnished butter knife. Do people on this forum really think that the rest of this country would just sit idly by and watch it? Do people on this forum really think that suggesting that obliterating them...pulverizing them into ground round at every opportunity would be some sort of vicious act of inhumanity? My ass.

It's Islam. And if there really are any mainstream Muslims, it's long past time for them to open up their pieholes and start making some real goddamn noise about it.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I'd rather see other people's young men bear this particular burden, those of countries that are much more directly threatened than we are by ISIS. In any case I'm dubious of generalship that advocates a tactic that won't work, while shying away from alternatives that will, though insisting that destroying the enemy is an urgent and dire necessity.

I am glad you find yourself a clear-eyed student of history in a sea of selective, biased, and error-prone persons. Are you going to tell us our loyalty to Western values is suspect next?

Well DQ that is one of the unfortunate curses I have has laid upon me. God in his wisdom saw fit to give me a surplus of what Poirot calls 'those leetle grey cells' but unfortunately did not provide an on/off switch along with them. Some people seem to regard a well above average IQ as a blessing but as the proverb says 'be careful what you wish for you just might get it'.

While I can't really claim 84 years of experience I damn well did not have one year's experience 84 times. And your estimate of how I would behave if I was under the influence of hate and anger is something neither of us will ever know because I can't recall the last time I was under the influence of hate. Anger I do recall and that was at 17 when I struck a boy who was not mentally equipped and the shame that followed has controlled that emotion ever since.

I have often wondered if women past a certain age have children with Down's syndrome what if their DNA and mine (since Mom was 38 when she had me) would show the same gene altered but in opposite ways? Since I do not know anyone at NIH we will probably never know.

Ah well kiddies it has been amusing but really rather pointless don't you think?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Tough shit. Ignore me if it's quite so upsetting.



Maybe I should study your style as you have the most pleasant and friendly way of name calling. What are you rob's goddamn father? You are the bull-goose looney sideways shame-monger on this forum.

If Rob speaks in public, I do not have to be his father to criticize him in public. For cause, reasonably explained.

Not responsible for your problems and feelings, btw.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Well DQ that is one of the unfortunate curses I have has laid upon me. God in his wisdom saw fit to give me a surplus of what Poirot calls 'those leetle grey cells' but unfortunately did not provide an on/off switch along with them. Some people seem to regard a well above average IQ as a blessing but as the proverb says 'be careful what you wish for you just might get it'.

While I can't really claim 84 years of experience I damn well did not have one year's experience 84 times. And your estimate of how I would behave if I was under the influence of hate and anger is something neither of us will ever know because I can't recall the last time I was under the influence of hate. Anger I do recall and that was at 17 when I struck a boy who was not mentally equipped and the shame that followed has controlled that emotion ever since.

I have often wondered if women past a certain age have children with Down's syndrome what if their DNA and mine (since Mom was 38 when she had me) would show the same gene altered but in opposite ways? Since I do not know anyone at NIH we will probably never know.

Ah well kiddies it has been amusing but really rather pointless don't you think?

A positive self-image is an asset, but don't overdo it old bean. Consider the possibility that you aren't quite perfect, and there may be a hole or two in your self-awareness. It is even possible that you can be wrong, on rare occasions, isn't it?

I do not regard the debate as pointless. Not at all. I consider it important to oppose the 'kill 'em all' sort of war-reaction. Important enough to sacrifice your kind regard to do it.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

If Rob speaks in public, I do not have to be his father to criticize him in public. For cause, reasonably explained.

Not responsible for your problems and feelings, btw.

What you are responsible for is being a goddamn two-faced hypocrite when somebody disagrees with you.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

What you are responsible for is being a goddamn two-faced hypocrite when somebody disagrees with you.

I will meditate on your criticiam.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I will meditate on your criticiam.

Good. As far as I'm concerned you can talk to me any goddamn way that pleases you. I deserve most of the low kicks I get for my aggressiveness and belligerence, but there was no fucking reason on earth for you to go after rob the way you did.