Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

A certain type of person is actively recruited by law enforcement. As it is with the US military. And that sort of person is susceptible to fits of anger when their directives...no matter how ridiculous...are not met with immediate and appropriately humble enough compliance. America wants pissed off cops. Just ask a significant percentage of wives of pissed off cops how bad it can get, if they're not too terrified to talk about it. Statistics show that 1 in 4 women in the US has been a victim of an incident of domestic violence. That becomes 1 in 2 if they are married to a cop. This doesn't happen by accident.

I remember qualifying day at Pendleton back in 1969. They took the 8 of us, who put all 10 rounds in the silhouette from 500 yards, down to a little building on the end of the firing line and attempted to get us to agree to apply for sniper school. What was their primary means of...uh...encouragement? Showing us dozens of grizzly photos of NVA and Cong sniper casualties. Predominantly from long range where the wobbling round really did some catastrophic damage.

Did they want volunteers for sniper school who were patriotic Americans who were willing to put their lives on the line to defend their country? Fuck no. They wanted sociopaths who got off on the carnage. They wanted sick motherfuckers who would enjoy doing this to another human being.

Big surprise that somebody gets the life choked out of them if they don't jump fast enough when Danny Pantaleo says "jump." Big surprise if they continue to stomp you when you're already down like Koon, Powell, Briseno and Wind. You go for the wrong kind of person, you end up with some people like this.

Now this is interesting and one of your better observations.

Here's the rub, at least regarding what I believe and the scenario you have generated:

1. The military WANTS those people.
2. Policing society CREATES such people.

Do you perceive the difference?

A sniper generates death from hiding. It requires no courage, merely skill. Chris Kyle, for example, was lying scum (guilty of character defamation) and died by his own gun worshiping sword.

Policing a fractured and entitled society, on the other hand, requires a whole lot of things that can only be accurately described if you possess a firm grasp of the society itself. You are immersed in it. There is no "death from above" with no physical contact...especially if you are serving a warrant or approaching a person of interest.

Brown had multiple opportunities to comply right up to when he assaulted an officer. At that point, he gave Wilson one choice. Brown earned his result and victimized Wilson whom -- I'd bet -- had NO DESIRE for this to occur.

That's different than Kyle who got off on this shit.

The difference is that one guy is canonized (militaristic propaganda) and the other stigmatized (white guilt).

LAME.

[sheltiedave]

Police work only creates monsters if you allow it. The strange thing is military work and police work both demand many of the same traits, but the military generally provides an adequate level of discipline, and the military punishes you if you violate their boundaries, or do not obey orders, or you fail in your duties.

Police departments just close ranks. Police departments actively protect wayward cops, and train them in lawyer speak so they can go out and kill people without fear of legal problems.

Society does not make good cops bad. Police work magnifies a cop's traits. If they are doing it as a career for the right reasons and they are a solid person, they stand a good chance of making it out to retirement as a good person. If they are not a solid character, police work will find any and every flaw, and magnify it.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

Police work only creates monsters if you allow it. The strange thing is military work and police work both demand many of the same traits, but the military generally provides an adequate level of discipline, and the military punishes you if you violate their boundaries, or do not obey orders, or you fail in your duties.

Police departments just close ranks. Police departments actively protect wayward cops, and train them in lawyer speak so they can go out and kill people without fear of legal problems.

Society does not make good cops bad. Police work magnifies a cop's traits. If they are doing it as a career for the right reasons and they are a solid person, they stand a good chance of making it out to retirement as a good person. If they are not a solid character, police work will find any and every flaw, and magnify it.

Good Post.

I agree with all of that.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Now this is interesting and one of your better observations.

Here's the rub, at least regarding what I believe and the scenario you have generated:

1. The military WANTS those people.
2. Policing society CREATES such people.

Do you perceive the difference?

A sniper generates death from hiding. It requires no courage, merely skill. Chris Kyle, for example, was lying scum (guilty of character defamation) and died by his own gun worshiping sword.

Policing a fractured and entitled society, on the other hand, requires a whole lot of things that can only be accurately described if you possess a firm grasp of the society itself. You are immersed in it. There is no "death from above" with no physical contact...especially if you are serving a warrant or approaching a person of interest.

Brown had multiple opportunities to comply right up to when he assaulted an officer. At that point, he gave Wilson one choice. Brown earned his result and victimized Wilson whom -- I'd bet -- had NO DESIRE for this to occur.

That's different than Kyle who got off on this shit.

The difference is that one guy is canonized (militaristic propaganda) and the other stigmatized (white guilt).

LAME.

I'm not talking about Brown anymore. If you paid any attention to my posts you would remember that when we first heard about the situation in Ferguson I said that if you don't want to end up dead or stomped within an inch of your life...don't get aggressive with a police officer. The failure of this country's legal system is all I'm talking about related to Ferguson.

But Eric Garner. The video doesn't lie. Pantaleo was pissed off that Garner didn't fall to his knees and genuflect fast enough...so he jumped him and in a fit of rage, choked the life out of him, and was assisted by 4 or 5 others because that's what coppers do. They back their partner's play. Just like Anthony Abbate's partner and the rest of Chicago's blue curtain boys backed his play when Anthony decided to beat the hell out of Karolina Obryka. Maybe I'm a bad partner and maybe a bad partner is a bad copper...but if I'm Danny Pantaleo's partner, I'm dragging his ass off of Eric Garner and telling him to go cool the fuck off. And if he comes after me, then it's a fair fight.

That's it. You can jerk yourself around bleating about policing in a "fractured and entitled" society all day long. Just keep the roll of paper towels handy. This society is no more fractured than it was in the 1960's, and certainly no more than in the 1850's. Anybody who persists in trying to pitch that the poor coppers of today have it so much more tough than their predecessors because of entitlement is the one who's lame.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

If they are doing it as a career for the right reasons and they are a solid person, they stand a good chance of making it out to retirement as a good person.

Respectfully, that's naive unless you believe in Mayberry.

The urban jungle is a crucible and your options are adapt, get eaten or leave. (Perhaps experience varies if you don't look like me, studied Spanish abroad and look great in jeans, backward Kangol and a leather jacket...)

I left.

But the idea that Brown didn't 100% earn his demise is still crap.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I'm not talking about Brown anymore.

Yeah. You LOST that one.

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

But Eric Garner. The video doesn't lie.

Correct. A career criminal resisted arrest.

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Anybody who persists in trying to pitch that the poor coppers of today have it so much more tough than their predecessors because of entitlement is the one who's lame.

God, you're a stupid motherfucker.

1. Proliferation of weaponry.
2. Welfare as a lifestyle.
3. Infusion of cheap street drugs.
4. Gang culture.

Should I go on?

Dumbass...

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Yeah. You LOST that one.



Correct. A career criminal resisted arrest.



God, you're a stupid motherfucker.

1. Proliferation of weaponry.
2. Welfare as a lifestyle.
3. Infusion of cheap street drugs.
4. Gang culture.

Should I go on?

Dumbass...

Bigot.

Should I go on?

OK...I'll go on. Talk about cherrypicking a post. You're a motherfucking coward.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

And completely accurate on that point.

Go fuck yourself asshole.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Bigot.

Should I go on?

OK...I'll go on. Talk about cherrypicking a post. You're a motherfucking coward.

So, I -- again -- defeated you're argument?

NO SHIT.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Go fuck yourself asshole.

So, I -- again -- defeated you're argument?

NO SHIT.