Gasoline.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

A refinery was recently completed in ND. it just came on line this fall. So, no more exploding Canadian towns.



Already been addressed. See link below - disposal of fracking wastewater is actually creating its own mini boom.

http://www.midwestenergynews.com/201...iness-in-ohio/

Isn't that special, so I guess in a couple of years we can kiss our well goodbye. That is not disposal merely hiding it.

John sure oil is moved in Canadian Rail cars, perhaps privatizing CNR was a dumb idea. But at least the engine drivers seem to be more competent. Oil leaks from pipelines don't burn people to death.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by merrylander

John sure oil is moved in Canadian Rail cars, perhaps privatizing CNR was a dumb idea. But at least the engine drivers seem to be more competent. Oil leaks from pipelines don't burn people to death.

C'mon, Rob. Engineers are engineers. You might be able to make a case for better track in Canada but that doesn't really have a bearing on Lac Megantic or the one in the Maritimes (the exact location for which escapes me).

[LATE EDIT] Actually, I remember now that Lac Megantic resulted from a brake failure so I doubt that the engineer or the track can be blamed for this one.

John

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Already been addressed. See link below - disposal of fracking wastewater is actually creating its own mini boom.

http://www.midwestenergynews.com/201...iness-in-ohio/

Originally Posted by whell

Actions have consequences. If you disagree, then show me alternatives that are cost effective in today's market.

From the link that you provided:

But Brian Kunkemoeller of the Sierra Club’s Beyond Natural Gas program said Ohio’s regulation of injection wells falls “tragically short.”

Among other things, concerned citizens have limited time under Ohio’s rules to comment on permit applications and may be unable to effectively challenge rulings on those comments or applications by ODNR regulators.

“If they approve the permit, then citizens cannot appeal; there’s no appeal rights,” Kunkemoeller said. “But if they deny the permit, then industry can appeal.”

“The Ohio DNR can’t even issue a fine for a violation,” Kunkemoeller said.

Instead of only addressing only petroleum as an energy source, all other sources should be brought into conversation and where these would seem more appropriate than petroleum. Nuclear, natural gas and solar for instance have specific advantages depending on the application.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Or a picture of his Prius.

As soon as Toyoda comes up with a pick up version, I'm game.
Till then I'll keep driving the Ford Ranger that replaced my F250 5.8L V-8 Super Duty. Every little bit helps.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

Bobby, always the critic but seldom offering any competing ideas of input of his own.

It's not a Hobson's choice, sir. Restrict access to oil and you impact the availability and price of all products that are dependent on oil and the refinining process. Actions have consequences. If you disagree, then show me alternatives that are cost effective in today's market.

I'll show you mine if you show me yours...

Meanwhile, here's a teaser...mass transit and infrastructure investment. Who's party has resisted both of those ideas?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

Restrict access to oil and you impact the availability and price of all products that are dependent on oil and the refinining process.

Moving away from fossil fuel doesn't restrict access to petroleum. It reduces demand while doing nothing to the supply.

So, what typically happens then, whell?

John

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Boreas

C'mon, Rob. Engineers are engineers. You might be able to make a case for better track in Canada but that doesn't really have a bearing on Lac Megantic or the one in the Maritimes (the exact location for which escapes me).

[LATE EDIT] Actually, I remember now that Lac Megantic resulted from a brake failure so I doubt that the engineer or the track can be blamed for this one.

John

Let me reword that for factuality - the Lac Megantic tragedy happened because the engineer failed to set the brakes. I actually like trains we took Amtrak from Glenwood MD to Glenwood Springs CO. Saw lots of work being undertaken on sections of track. BNSF is probably at the forefront in using steel reinforced concrete ties. Less work for the gandy dancers.

But the problem is that we subsidize truckers and airlines at taxpayer expense but the railroads get squat to support their infrastructure.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Look, dummy, this is about fuels, not lipstick, though I know that must be a hugely important consideration for your Friday nights.
John

As Reagan once said to Carter: "There you go again."

[whell]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Isn't that special, so I guess in a couple of years we can kiss our well goodbye. That is not disposal merely hiding it.

Nope, nothing to worry about there. These are deep wells that allow storage far below the water table.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Moving away from fossil fuel doesn't restrict access to petroleum. It reduces demand while doing nothing to the supply.

So, what typically happens then, whell?

John

I'm all for cheap and abundent energy no matter what the source. But moving away from petro absent replacement energy source that is as cost effective is not something the market is ready for now. I suspect part of the motivation for applying a tax in an environment where the cost of oil is falling is at least in part to help make the cost of alternative energy sources more attractive. I'm not opposed to using reasonable gas taxes to pay for roads. I am opposed to energy taxes, carbon taxes, and the like that do nothing more than raise costs and hamper competitiveness.