Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Boreas

What's ridiculous?

John

Finn's claim that Dorian Johnson was complicit in the convenience store incident.

[sheltiedave]

Finn still believes they were best friends...

if he had read Johnson's testimony, he would realize they knew each other because they lived in the same complex, and Johnson was willing to talk and walk with Brown because he seemed somewhat shy, and not involved with the Bloods.

[finnbow]

Finn's claim that Dorian Johnson was complicit in the convenience store incident.

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

Finn still believes they were best friends...

I never once said that. I said Johnson was complicit in the felonious strong-arm robbery of the convenience store which is absolutely true in every sense of the word.

An individual is complicit in a crime if he is aware of its occurrence and has the ability to report the crime, but fails to do so. As such, the individual effectively allows criminals to carry out a crime despite potentially being able to stop it from happening, either directly or by contacting the authorities. The offender is a de facto accessory to the crime, rather than an innocent bystander.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complicity

I haven't done so, but it could also be easily argued that Johnson was in fact an accomplice or accessory to the felonious robbery of the convenience store and battery of its owner. Not only didn't he report the crime, he stayed with the perp with the expressed intention of enjoying the proceeds of the crime (i.e., smoking a blunt made from the stolen cigars). He may have been a good kid, generally speaking, but that it doesn't change the fact that he was indeed complicit in the felonious robbery and battery at the convenience store. FWIW, lots of crimes are committed by young men who were "good kids" (until they weren't).

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I never once said that. I said Johnson was complicit in the felonious strong-arm robbery of the convenience store which is absolutely true in every sense of the word.

An individual is complicit in a crime if he is aware of its occurrence and has the ability to report the crime, but fails to do so. As such, the individual effectively allows criminals to carry out a crime despite potentially being able to stop it from happening, either directly or by contacting the authorities. The offender is a de facto accessory to the crime, rather than an innocent bystander.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complicity

Y'know finn then we're all complicit in crime every day. We buy shit made in China and we know that crimes are committed against the people of China by their government ever hour of every day.

We support corporations that are illegally poisoning our environment, illegally manipulating markets including the equity and investment markets...and just generally flaunting their ability to do it through purchase of their power by filling the pockets of elected officials every day. When they get caught out, it's a slap on the wrist and they go back to doing it all over again.

You're no less complicit in crime than Johnson, nor am I, or anybody else on this forum. So get down off your high horse regarding the complicity of Dorian Johnson. And try to remember that if we're invested in "innocent until proven guilty" nobody in this country has ever committed a crime until found guilty of committing a crime. It's why the street justice attitudes of idiots like Zeke are so noxious.

[Zeke]

Johnson is inherently complicit and his testimony beyond tainted. That said, to continue to undermine the BS cherry picked perjury argument, even IT was allowed (I'm fine with that) it just didn't produce a compelling argument.

As for "street justice," that's an even more bogus theory. It doesn't matter if you're an alleged saint, putting an officer in perceived fear of his life elicits the appropriate response: deadly force.

But, of course, the robber was no saint nor was his associate.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

...You're no less complicit in crime than Johnson, nor am I, or anybody else on this forum. So get down off your high horse regarding the complicity of Dorian Johnson....

WTF??? By any definition, Johnson was complicit in the felonious strong-arm robbery of the store (and I wasn't). With all due respect, that may be one the dumbest posts I've ever read on this board.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

WTF??? By any definition, Johnson was complicit in the felonious strong-arm robbery of the store (and I wasn't). With all due respect, that may be one the dumbest posts I've ever read on this board.

I said in another post that, given the circumstances surrounding the theft of the cigarillos, there was absolutely no way that Johnson would have felt that the theft would have gone unreported unless he did it. The victim was in a position to do it and the other employee(s) and patron(s) were as well.

Probably the most important reason for Johnson's inaction was the near certainty that doing so would have placed him in serious jeopardy from the less savory elements of Ferguson society (other than the cops, that is ). I don't think Johnson would have qualified for the Federal Witness Protection Program.

So, reporting the theft was simply not an option for Johnson, not in the world he lived in. (A world you claim to know a lot about, by the way, so it's puzzling that you don't recognize the realities here.)

As to his complicity in the strong-arm robbery, please review the surveillance footage. The "strong arm" part of the robbery took perhaps 2 or 3 seconds to unfold. By the time it occurred, Johnson was already out the door. It's within the realm of possibility that he never knew it had occurred.

John

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

WTF??? By any definition, Johnson was complicit in the felonious strong-arm robbery of the store (and I wasn't).

Felonious strong armed robbery.

Isn't that a bit over the top Finn?

He took a pack of cheap cigars and gave the clerk a little shove.

Yeah, I suppose that technically fits the legal description but geez.

It's like calling someone doing 46 mph in a 45 mph zone a speeder.

But I guess you have to pull out all the stops to demonize the dude so that you can justify blowing his brains out with a .40 caliber pistol.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Boreas

I said in another post that, given the circumstances surrounding the theft of the cigarillos, there was absolutely no way that Johnson would have felt that the theft would have gone unreported unless he did it. The victim was in a position to do it and the other employee(s) and patron(s) were as well.

Probably the most important reason for Johnson's inaction was the near certainty that doing so would have placed him in serious jeopardy from the less savory elements of Ferguson society (other than the cops, that is ). I don't think Johnson would have qualified for the Federal Witness Protection Program.

So, reporting the theft was simply not an option for Johnson, not in the world he lived in. (A world you claim to know a lot about, by the way, so it's puzzling that you don't recognize the realities here.)

John

None of that changes the fact that he was indeed complicit. Moreover, his choice to continue hanging out with Brown after the robbery/battery to enjoy the fruits of said robbery provide grounds to look at his testimony with some skepticism.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Felonious strong armed robbery.

Robbery is a felony, as is committing battery in support of a felony. So, it's actually 2 felonies, not one.