Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Zeke

On Brown's part.

For alleged robbers? Yes.

Giving a man no choice is doing it to yourself.

When are you going to learn to compose an argument instead if just making bald assertions without support?

When are you going to learn that there are no absolutes?

When are you going to learn that there are other "smilies" in the world beside ?

John

[Gusjay Gupta]

Originally Posted by Boreas

When are you going to learn to compose an argument instead if just making bald assertions without support?

When are you going to learn that there are no absolutes?

When are you going to learn that there are other "smilies" in the world beside ?

John

<------ UNLEASH THE FURY!!!!!

(sorry...my vacation starts in 2 hours. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it)

[sheltiedave]

Since some of the folks don't like looking at the testimony nor the evidence, here it all is at the current time. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...rown-case.html

In looking through the photos, the re has been another release of photos, including a new bullet in another apartment.

As some of you may recall, there was a bullet hole at Apt. 2960



Apt 2960 is the complex behind and to one side of Brown, the side he fled down the street. Please note that where and the angle the Tahoe was parked at, this bullet path would be greater than 180 degrees from where Wilson fired his second shot from inside the Tahoe. The bullet entered the siding below the window at the far left. The Tahoe was ahead of the start of the building, at the far right.



Also remember that when Wilson opened his eyes after firing, he noticed a puff of dust rising in the air, so he knew he missed Brown with the second shot, according to his testimony. He believed the bullet took a similar path, as he did not extend his arm(s) out the window. The first fired bullet that struck Brown travelled at a 90 to 100 degree angle relative to the center console, and Wilson could not have fired the second bullet at a large obtuse angle without striking himself while in the Tahoe.

And the Tahoe, as parked with the crime scene tape securing it in situ. Please note how impossible it is for anyone to see inside, and provide accurate testimony of anything other than being able to see there is a struggle of some sort. The rear windows are all tinted, the console, door frames, and dash all block what is going on at hip level, and glare/shade doesn't allow a clear view either. Only someone standing shoulder to shoulder could reasonably begin to give adequate testimony on what was happening interior to the Tahoe.

[sheltiedave]

The other bullet that has been found in an apartment wall is at a second floor deck on the left side of the road, at 2909. Here is the travel profile..



The entry into the siding..



And upon extraction. Please note the minimal deformation and the round profile. This is a bullet that was fired from the Sig, struck the rail bannister, and entered the siding, with no deflection to change its flight path.



So we have two of the recovered bullets that were fired, did not strike Brown, were not deflected, and were fired after the first two rounds that were fired in the Tahoe.

As long as Wilson did not fire in some bizarre fashion away from Brown, this would lead to the bullet that lodged in 2960 to be the third round fired, after Wilson exited the Tahoe. He would have fired from the relative middle of the road at a fleeing Brown on the right side of the road, and missed hard right.

The bullet that lodged on the deck siding at 2909 really is at the 1.5 story level, so that would coincide with Wilson moving down the flight path, and firing at some distance from Brown, missing wide high left. This changes the narrative that Wilson did not fire at Brown between his exit from the Tahoe until Brown charged him. This would again give credence to Johnson's testimony that Wilson was shooting at Brown from behind, and that Brown was hit in the arm from behind, and turned around because he was struck by a bullet. This accounts for three rounds that Wilson fired at Brown's back during the chase.

[Zeke]

Nice try.

Seriously.

1. Are you implying this is new information or that the GJ discounted it?
2. As for what occurred in the vehicle, all Wilson has to do is feel unsafe.
3. Bullets go all sorts of places when you're under duress.

Bottom line? If robber Brown doesn't cause this, he's alive.

[sheltiedave]

Bullets do go all over, but without deflection, they always have a starting point, an ending point, and a travel path/trajectory that is entirely described by physics.

Nowhere in the grand jury proceedings are these travel paths explained, so the grand jury had no information as it relates to wilson's narrative. In both cases, it is impossible for them to have been fired and reach their endpoint according to the narrative. Wilson would have first shot himself in the first case, in the second, the bullet would need to travel a 220 degree arc.

Occum's razer suggests we assign the simplest explanation, which is wilson fired at Brown multiple times from the back as Brown fled.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Nice try.

Seriously.

1. Are you implying this is new information or that the GJ discounted it?
2. As for what occurred in the vehicle, all Wilson has to do is feel unsafe.
3. Bullets go all sorts of places when you're under duress.

Bottom line? If robber Brown doesn't cause this, he's alive.

I vigorously protest your terminology. Here is the progression. Teenager to jaywalker to shoplifter to a felon (unconvicted) to thug. How the f@*k do you come up with robber?

I demand that you delete your post, post haste.

[donquixote99]

Zeke: serious question:

If Brown is a robber, does this mean the police can do absolutely anything to him at any time?

If not, then whether what was done is proper is a matter that can be discussed, and you can stop saying it's all due to 'robber Brown causing this.'

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

Bullets do go all over, but without deflection, they always have a starting point, an ending point, and a travel path/trajectory that is entirely described by physics.

Nowhere in the grand jury proceedings are these travel paths explained, so the grand jury had no information as it relates to wilson's narrative. In both cases, it is impossible for them to have been fired and reach their endpoint according to the narrative. Wilson would have first shot himself in the first case, in the second, the bullet would need to travel a 220 degree arc.

Occum's razer suggests we assign the simplest explanation, which is wilson fired at Brown multiple times from the back as Brown fled.

There should be a new grand jury, with a special prosecutor.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Zeke: serious question:

If Brown is a robber, does this mean the police can do absolutely anything to him at any time?

If not, then whether what was done is proper is a matter that can be discussed, and you can stop saying it's all due to 'robber Brown causing this.'

That he was a person of interest (matching description, stolen items in hand, etc.) in a strongarm robbery absolutely implies something: awareness when approaching. Past that, Brown brought everything on himself by causing a sworn law enforcement officer to believe his life was in danger.

Discussing anything else is just so much Titanic deck chair arranging.