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View Poll Results: Should A Federal Grand Jury Be Empaneled To Investigate Allegations of Torture?
Yes, the known facts suggest that they may have committed war crimes and violated int'l treaties. 7 100.00%
No, their actions were lawful. 0 0%
No, while their actions may have been illegal, they acted in the best interests of the country. 0 0%
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:28 AM
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Your presumption is tragic.
And yet accurate in terms of result.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:30 AM
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[QUOTE=Boreas;252976]And because "shit happens in war because", there are international treaties - which we're signatory to - outlaw war crimes, torture among them.

Well to the extent that polls matter, it would seem that most folks would skew your poll results away from a Grand Jury outcome. Also open to question whether the CIA truly did misrepresent the treatment of detainees as Feinstein's report suggests.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...e6c_story.html

Just curious - if torture is troubling for you, how do you feel about our efforts / overtures toward Cuba?

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Old 12-18-2014, 11:43 AM
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Well to the extent that polls matter, it would seem that most folks would skew your poll results away from a Grand Jury outcome. Also open to question whether the CIA truly did misrepresent the treatment of detainees as Feinstein's report suggests.
I'm aware of the polls and they disturb me profoundly but I see them mostly as the result of relentless media propaganda and not just from Fox.

By the way, I don't exempt Sen. Feinstein from scrutiny either.

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Just curious - if torture is troubling for you, how do you feel about our efforts / overtures toward Cuba?
Somewhat better than I feel about our relations with China and especially Saudi Arabia.

I'm for a rapproachment with Cuba. The blockade and sanctions have failed utterly (or succeeded only in making life tougher for ordinary Cubans). It's time to try something else. I'll channel St. Ronnie here (but just this once) and say that, as with South Africa, engagement works better than sanctions. Exposing the Cuban people to Americans and American ideals will do far more to bring about change than making them pay a price for their leaders' alleged sins.

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Cool. I'll await your posting of a poll regarding a Grand Jury for Obama and company.
But you'll be oppose to that too, right?

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