Should a Federal Grand Jury Consider Indicting Bush, Cheney et al for War Crimes

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Zeke

While squirrely, John Yoo, Jay Bybee and Steven Bradbury got us internally around that.

Uh, no.

Article 1

For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.
This article is without prejudice to any international instrument or national legislation which does or may contain provisions of wider application.

Article 2

Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.
No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.

http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html

[Boreas]

“Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.” - George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775

Lincoln agreed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieber_Code

And the Lieber Code was the seminal document in the 1899 and 1907 Hague Convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_C...d_1907#History

John

[MrPots]

Absolutely.

Give them the Saddam treatment, that's the best they deserve.

Invading a sovereign nation under false pretenses to make a profit and killing tens of thousands of innocent people.

Stealing 2 trillion of our taxpayers hard earned money for the MIC.

Hang em' all and hang em' high.

Strip their names from the history books and confiscate their family holdings.

[bobabode]

Voted yes.

[whell]

Wonder of the Nobel Peave Prize winning prez will be subject to a Grand Jury investigation for war crimes for drone attacks of close to 1000 civilian casualties?

Nah, never happen.

[donquixote99]

Yep that's the line I've been seeing. Torture, drone attacks, no difference....

Glad you're back whell--I'd hate to miss the meme of the day.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

yep that's the line i've been seeing. Torture, drone attacks, no difference....

Glad you're back whell--i'd hate to miss the meme of the day.

Haw....that's our Whellie.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by whell

Wonder of the Nobel Peave Prize winning prez will be subject to a Grand Jury investigation for war crimes for drone attacks of close to 1000 civilian casualties?

Nah, never happen.

"Asymmetrical warfare" and false equivalency to discredit the sitting POTUS. And you would have us do, what?

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[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

Wonder of the Nobel Peave Prize winning prez will be subject to a Grand Jury investigation for war crimes for drone attacks of close to 1000 civilian casualties?

Nah, never happen.

Would you favor indicting President Obama as a war criminal for his drone program?

John

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Uh, no.

Article 1

For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.
This article is without prejudice to any international instrument or national legislation which does or may contain provisions of wider application.

Article 2

Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.
No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.

http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html

^ This.

Originally Posted by Boreas

“Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.” - George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775

Lincoln agreed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieber_Code

And the Lieber Code was the seminal document in the 1899 and 1907 Hague Convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_C...d_1907#History

John

and this. ^

There is no excuse for torturing, ever.