Good Choke

[Zeke]

So, basically, I was right?

Got it.

[Rajoo]

A very good column on Grand Jury verdicts in MO and NY. Not detailed but to the point IMO. Some of the numbers cited is quite interesting. For example:

In 2010, federal prosecutors sought indictments in about 162,000 cases, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Grand jurors declined to return an indictment in 11 of these.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...reformed-video

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

A very good column on Grand Jury verdicts in MO and NY. Not detailed but to the point IMO. Some of the numbers cited is quite interesting. For example:

In 2010, federal prosecutors sought indictments in about 162,000 cases, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Grand jurors declined to return an indictment in 11 of these.

Likely because Grand Juries are -- typically -- reserved for instances where prosecutors believed there was a likelihood/need for prosecution?

Neither of the above mentioned situations necessitated a Grand Jury for anything beyond political assuaging.

[ZeroJunk]

The only reason the case in Ferguson ever went to the grand jury to begin with was to appease. It was completely cut and dried except for idiots. If it had been black on black or black on white the cop would have been congratulated for not letting the thug kill him.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

So, basically, I was right?

Got it.

Reptilian brained dimwit.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Reptilian brained dimwit.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Like, say, what actually happened?

1. Offender had a long criminal record dating back 35 years.
2. Was illegally selling taxable items (multiple times).
3. Refused to comply.
4. CONTINUED to refuse to comply once engaged.
5. Got himself accidentally killed.

Easiest way to avoid this?

6. Don't commit criminal activity.
7. Comply when legally detained.

He had since 1980 (first arrest) to figure this out...

Rolleyes my ass. First of all, this wasn't an accident. An accident isn't what actually happened. An accident is when an air conditioner falls out of an apartment window and crushes Garner's larynx. That's an accident. When there's a physical altercation, regardless of the office or license of one of the participants, and one crushes the other's larynx without due cause, it's at a minimum, a charge of involuntary manslaughter.

Carrying a badge does not excuse physical over-reaction to what has not been proven to be the commission of an illegal act. That is determined in a court of law, not on the street.

Assault is not an accident. My half-invalid brother being physically assaulted on the street in front of his house when his response to being ordered off the street by a Forest Park cop, was "...give me a minute to think about that." And the reaction to his response was much the same as Garner's...only my brother was fortunate enough to survive. Is "...give me a minute to think about that..." a criminal offense? Is ordering someone off the street in front of his own home a "legal detention"? I don't think so.

Being out on the street in front of one's residence is not the commission of an illegal activity. An accident is an accident, an assault is assault. Nobody's done anything illegal until they've been convicted of doing something illegal. Unless they're in nazi Germany and being assaulted by the Gestapo.

Accidental lethal police force. Now there's an idiotic concept outta Zeke and worthy of .

[Zeke]

An accident IS what happened unless you can prove there was intent to choke the alleged offender to death during the SITUATION HE CAUSED.

And, if there was a reason for your relative to get out of the street, he should have complied. Yes -- no doubt, no question -- noncompliance with a lawful instruction (like being detained) IS an offense.

The level of noncompliance determines response. If your actions require response, rest assured it's coming.

Query: did you get any $$$ from your incident? Civil suit? Public outcry? Societal support?

Or, did you figure out where personal property ends?

[donquixote99]

Bow, peasant, or your head is coming OFF! Rest assured!

The thing is, Zeke, sooner or later the people who think this stuff only happens to 'them' will be outnumbered. Change is a comin.' And your trash talk is only helping that happen.

[bobabode]

Here's a bit that seems to have been overlooked in all the hullaballoo over these cops swarming Garner after he objected to being repeatedly hassled by one of these Staten Island cops.

The police were responding to a street fight that Mr. Garner had broken up minutes before the NYPD rolled up. Hmmm, sounds like a civic minded individual to me.