Causes of Crime

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Why?

You'll just deny it as always.

Show me a single post where I endorsed police brutality, Tom, or shut the fuck up with your constant mischaracterizations and outright lies.

Your only tactic seems to be stick words in peoples' mouths, mischaracterize their posts or simply fabricate shit.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Show me a single post where I endorsed police brutality,

You don't consider what happened to Mike Brown to be Police brutality and I do. So what good would it do?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

You don't consider what happened to Mike Brown to be Police brutality and I do. So what good would it do?

Your persistent tendency to ignore facts seems to undermine your capacity as a cantankerous blowhard. You seem to be a proponent of never letting facts get in the way of a good argument.

[noonereal]

i read this elsewhere and it made sense to me, 'My dad used to teach police studies. He basically made cops in the UK. Whenever he saw anything like this (at the time it would be in N. Ireland, S. Africa or China) he said that no policeman ever shoots an innocent person. No lawman ever uses unreasonable force to detain a suspect. As soon as they cross that line they are no longer an agent of the law employed to serve and protect the public interest. They are just wearing the uniform, nothing more.'

thoughts?

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Show me a single post where I endorsed police brutality, Tom, or shut the fuck up with your constant mischaracterizations and outright lies.

Your only tactic seems to be stick words in peoples' mouths, mischaracterize their posts or simply fabricate shit.

Originally Posted by finnbow

Your persistent tendency to ignore facts seems to undermine your capacity as a cantankerous blowhard. You seem to be a proponent of never letting facts get in the way of a good argument.

Has 427 changed his name to Tom Joad?

He sounds like the definition of "Troll" to me lately.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JJIII

Has 427 changed his name to Tom Joad?

He sounds like the definition of "Troll" to me lately.

Seems like a whole lotta that going around lately and it's not just TJ imo.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by noonereal

i read this elsewhere and it made sense to me, 'My dad used to teach police studies. He basically made cops in the UK. Whenever he saw anything like this (at the time it would be in N. Ireland, S. Africa or China) he said that no policeman ever shoots an innocent person. No lawman ever uses unreasonable force to detain a suspect. As soon as they cross that line they are no longer an agent of the law employed to serve and protect the public interest. They are just wearing the uniform, nothing more.'

thoughts?

Sounds great on its face, but this really doesn't differ from the laws and policies in the US (though not necessarily the practices).

In the first instance, the hitch in your generality is "innocent person." I know of no American law or policy that specifically allows shooting innocent people. If you're referring to Ferguson, knocking off a convenience store, assaulting its owner, assaulting a cop while going for his gun and then charging a cop don't exactly qualify as innocent in the eyes of the law.

As for your second point, the word "unreasonable" force is already implicit within our law (i.e., only "reasonable" force is allowed). The hitch is determining ,after the fact, (as in Staten Island) whether the force was reasonable or not. The cops actions on the video seemed excessive to me, FWIW.

In a violent, well-armed society such as ours, British policing practices are unfortunately impossible. If our society becomes less violent and less well-armed, perhaps the British model is viable.

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Seems like a whole lotta that going around lately and it's not just TJ imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JM2ghmhGk0

I've noticed that year after year things get riled up about this time of year.

"Why can't we just all get along?"

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JJIII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JM2ghmhGk0

I've noticed that year after year things get riled up about this time of year.

"Why can't we just all get along?"

I'm blaming the full moon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDpYBT0XyvA

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I'm blaming the full moon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDpYBT0XyvA

That'll work for sure!