Causes of Crime

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

OK...let's accept Zeke's premise that black culture is crime central in this country.

If that's the case, suggesting that it's because black folks think they're extra-special and have a right to everything, is simply fucking moronic regardless of how many expert sociologists have decided it is so.

But if somebody wants to suggest it's because of raging institutional racism since 1865 and I'll go along with that.

Where did I say "black?"

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Where did I say "black?"

You didn't. You used a code word, "entitlement".

[Oerets]

Not all who use "Entitlement" as a metaphor are implying a race. Just the fact they have to pay tax dollars to support others and hate it. For selfish reasons I'm sure, because they will be the first in line to get a check if needed.


Barney

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Not all who use "Entitlement" as a metaphor are implying a race. Just the fact they have to pay tax dollars to support others and hate it. For selfish reasons I'm sure, because they will be the first in line to get a check if needed.


Barney

Plus one.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Plus one.

+2. That was a particularly clumsy effort in TJ's frequent attempts to stick words in peoples' mouths. It gets tiresome having him tell you what you said when he's so far off the mark. Disingenuous old fart.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by finnbow

+2. That was a particularly clumsy effort in TJ's frequent attempts to stick words in peoples' mouths. It gets tiresome having him tell you what you said when he's so far off the mark. Disingenuous old fart.

He may be off the mark in regards to you and Zeke but he's dead on in regards to the prevailing attitude in ol' Dixie and parts north, east and west of late.

I agree that Mike Brown was hardly a poster child for the ongoing struggle for equal treatment under the law in America and that struggle is far from over as seen by the continuing heavy handedness and militarization of police forces across this tired old country.

Cleveland and New York are in my mind lately but that's fodder for another thread methinks.

As another victim of police brutality once said, "Can't we all just get along?"

Please?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Not all who use "Entitlement" as a metaphor are implying a race. Just the fact they have to pay tax dollars to support others and hate it. For selfish reasons I'm sure, because they will be the first in line to get a check if needed.


Barney

Not all, but many many know Goddamn well that when they throw that "entitlement" net out it's going to catch a whole lot of dark folks and not so many white ones.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

+2. That was a particularly clumsy effort in TJ's frequent attempts to stick words in peoples' mouths. It gets tiresome having him tell you what you said when he's so far off the mark. Disingenuous old fart.

Fuck you very much.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Not all, but many many know Goddamn well that when they throw that "entitlement" net out it's going to catch a whole lot of dark folks and not so many white ones.

I see a lot of white people who get entitlements under the guise of military retirement benefits...I am one myself. It is not thought of as an entitlement however. There are of course African Americans, Asians, Latinos and others who get these benefits also.

Plus the VA, despite the controversy around bad care, gives out money every month to disabled veterans, some with missing limbs, some with diabetes and high blood pressure who on the surface do not look "disabled." Most in this latter category, (sleep apnea is another big item the VA rates as a disability) would have had diabetes or high blood pressure if they had never joined the military.


I think who gets the entitlement determines whether it is an "entitlement" or not.

I am safe from Paul Ryan, but their are millions of taxpayers who pay for me that are not safe from his desire to cut the safety net. I just do not understand it myself.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Not all, but many many know Goddamn well that when they throw that "entitlement" net out it's going to catch a whole lot of dark folks and not so many white ones.

The whole reason that a lot of southern rednecks resent blacks is they resent blacks getting the public assistance that they themselves feel more entitled to.

There's a sense of entitlement throughout our culture, from the welfare mom to veterans to Lockheed Martin. It has nothing to do with the amount of melanin in one's skin.