Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[sheltiedave]

Most hated words in this and other Brown/Wilson threads

GOOD SHOT
conflated
mob
thug
entitled

Gotta love all these code words

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

Most hated words in this and other Brown/Wilson threads

GOOD SHOT
conflated
mob
thug
entitled

Gotta love all these code words

I guess the words "execution" and "murder" didn't phase you. How, exactly, is "conflated" a code word (other than you probably had to look it up in the dictionary)?

[icenine]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

Here is more on Ferguson GJ process. How do you answer this?

Prosecutor Manipulates Grand Jury Process to Shield Officer

"You know the fix is in when a suspect who shot an unarmed man voluntarily provides four hours of un-cross examined testimony to a grand jury without taking the Fifth."

Something to really to think about, prosecutor questioning the suspect before a Grand Jury.

Hey I am sure the next minority defendant McCulloch tries to find probable cause against will get their 4 hours of testimony before the the Grand Jury.

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by icenine

Hey I am sure the next minority defendant McCulloch tries to find probable cause against will get their 4 hours of testimony before the the Grand Jury.

I know we have disagreed on this topic, but that is actually one of the elements that made the GJ highly suspect to me. Normally a defendant isn't even aware there is a grand jury happening, and it is extremely unusual for a defendant to be able to testify. I can't even imagine wanting to testify to the GJ as a defendant as it is just one more place where "anything you say can, and will be used against you" and the defense attorney is not allowed in the room with you. Cab you imagine the field day a prosecutor should be able to have with a defendant with no defense attorney there to advise and no cross-examination allowed?

BTW, I am obviously not a law professional, but I happen to be going through this all right at the moment with Maricopa county AZ detectives and DA in my son's stabbing. It is probably going to go back to the grand jury soon to increase charges from the first indictment of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon to the victim that lived to include a homicide charge, as forensic evidence has started coming back positive.

[sheltiedave]

MP, that is the precise reason a defendant is never called. The DA is supposed to be your enemy, NOT someone who has your back.

If the DA has your back, to the point where you can speak so eloquently, and at great length, without one single biting cross from the DA, you have it made in the shade.

I don't think you could find an easier court in the country to present a cop case than St. Louis.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by mpholland

I know we have disagreed on this topic, but that is actually one of the elements that made the GJ highly suspect to me. Normally a defendant isn't even aware there is a grand jury happening, and it is extremely unusual for a defendant to be able to testify. I can't even imagine wanting to testify to the GJ as a defendant as it is just one more place where "anything you say can, and will be used against you" and the defense attorney is not allowed in the room with you. Cab you imagine the field day a prosecutor should be able to have with a defendant with no defense attorney there to advise and no cross-examination allowed?

Thing is, there was no prosecutor there either.

[finnbow]

Your presumptions are predicated upon the notion that the DA thought the suspect was guilty. In this instance, he knew from the previous internal investigation that physical evidence and testimony would clear Wilson and, due to political/public pressure, he went through the motions with the grand jury to assuage the mob. One can question whether this is an appropriate use of a grand jury, but one can't really question his conclusion as to Wilson's guilt, given the evidence.

You can bitch all you want, but it was abundantly clear going in that a prosecution of Wilson, based upon the available evidence, would be both futile and unjust.

[donquixote99]

And one reason for that, to the extent that it is true, is that the Ferguson police had carefully not gathered evidence.

[sheltiedave]

How is trying an innocent person unjust?

CONVICTING an innocent person is unjust.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Your presumptions are predicated upon the notion that the DA thought the suspect was guilty. In this instance, he knew from the previous internal investigation that physical evidence and testimony would clear Wilson and, due to political/public pressure, he went through the motions with the grand jury to assuage the mob. One can question whether this is an appropriate use of a grand jury, but one can't really question his conclusion as to Wilson's guilt, given the evidence.

You can bitch all you want, but it was abundantly clear going in that a prosecution of Wilson, based upon the available evidence, would be both futile and unjust.

What internal investigation? From what we know now, neither Wilson nor the Ferguson PD followed proper protocols. There was no crime scene investigation. In fact nothing happened at the scene for 4+ hours.

And you now cite an internal investigation, the same people that disregarded their own internal rules and regulations for the basis of your arguments? There is a lot more information available now than before. You may want to consider some of these.

The DA knew Wilson was not guilty because he did not want Wilson to be found guilty. So he conducted an unusual Grand Jury sham. My opinion anyway.