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Old 11-19-2014, 03:01 PM
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I'll bet you're looking forward to this verdict like a little kid looks forward to Christmas.
Not really.

"Gifts" require giddiness.

Justice merely requires acknowledgement.
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Old 11-19-2014, 03:02 PM
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It does indeed appear that those in support of Brown are looking for revenge rather than "justice" and will only be satisfied if the officer is charged.
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Old 11-19-2014, 03:30 PM
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'Charged' seems reasonable. Then 'convicted' is up to a jury considering evidence presented in open court.
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Old 11-19-2014, 05:37 PM
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'Charged' seems reasonable. Then 'convicted' is up to a jury considering evidence presented in open court.
"Charged" is ONLY reasonable if a Grand Jury believes there is enough evidence to do so.

If there's not enough evidence, and there are no charges, that is more powerful than a jury exoneration.
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Old 11-19-2014, 07:40 PM
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"Charged" is ONLY reasonable if a Grand Jury believes there is enough evidence to do so.

If there's not enough evidence, and there are no charges, that is more powerful than a jury exoneration.
If you assume that the District Attorney didn't stack the deck, evidence-wise. Trouble is, there's nothing to stop him from doing that, no way to check on him. So my confidence in the 'power' of a no-bill to exonerate is considerably less than yours, in this case.
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Old 11-19-2014, 07:58 PM
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"Charged" is ONLY reasonable if a Grand Jury believes there is enough evidence to do so.

If there's not enough evidence, and there are no charges, that is more powerful than a jury exoneration.
Evidence that the Grand Jury will see in this case (and all other cases) is from one side whose motivation in this case is highly questionable. Now in a real trial, evidence is presented from both sides.

Either way citizens of Ferguson will be settling for a wrongful death judgement if some of the eyewitness testimony is true.
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Old 11-19-2014, 11:50 PM
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Either way citizens of Ferguson will be settling for a wrongful death judgement if some of the eyewitness testimony is true.
There won't even be a wrongful death trial...
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Old 11-20-2014, 08:30 AM
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Now I understand how cops think.

Fry a cop for doing a bad job...bad
Fry a bad guy who didn't do a murder...good job, he deserved it anyway.
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Old 11-20-2014, 08:54 AM
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"Charged" is ONLY reasonable if a Grand Jury believes there is enough evidence to do so.

If there's not enough evidence, and there are no charges, that is more powerful than a jury exoneration.
If the da does not present enough clear evidence
If the da does not present available evidence
If the da presents more evidence that exonerates
If the da does not want to press charges
Then the grand jury will not vote to bring charges.

In this case, a grand jury is nowhere near as convincing as a jury decision, because it is all behind sealed doors, with minimal evidence known to all.
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:33 AM
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Is due process satisfied?

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