Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

That's a very wrong attitude--the idea that cops are entitled to skip the 'convicted of crimes' part, and just shoot people who assault them.

What part of "assaulted an officer" placing him in peril of his life do you not perceive as a crime?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

Zeke, you need to lose the entitled viewpoint. First, it allows you to behave and feel superior to others. Second, people do not do things because they feel entitled, or not do things because they are not entitled, in the vast majority of cases.

If you want to get down to brass tacks, entitlement can be tagged to the wealthy vs poor, much more so than criminals vs law abiding citizens. Criminal behavior is a conscious decision with no basis in entitlement.

EDIT: I could have put the below nicer, it was an intellectual vomit moment merely because I've spent a LONG time looking at this, from multiple angles, using a plethora of techniques, incorporating varied professionals, etc. (It really does distill to this, except for truly divergent cases.)

That's just crap which I have studied for years, based in a variety of mediums, tested in the field.

The vast majority of criminal behavior is precisely based in entitlement documented in all manner of areas including sociology, psychology, profiling, economics, etc.

In general, the non possession of something (could be food, could be as amorphous as respect) combined with the overall belief that it should be possessed leads to a rationalized decision that it can be taken regardless of consequence.

What's that called, again?

Oh, yeah.

Entitlement.

And you know what? I am superior to those people.

One would hope you are, too?

Michael Brown tried to take Darren Wilson's life because he represented an obstacle blockading what he felt entitled to.

Now, bleeding heart types (and I am not immune) will try to rationalize that what he felt entitled to was a lack of police harassment. That's WEAK, even if accurate, coming from an individual that just committed robbery... What he felt entitled to was a lack of police involvement.

FUCK HIM.

And, if you attack an officer where his life is placed in peril? YOU GET SHOT.

I can't wait for Grand Jury deliberations to clear Wilson and for a Civil Rights trial to fail to materialize.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Zeke

What part of "assaulted an officer" placing him in peril of his life do you not perceive as a crime?

Didn't say it wasn't a crime. I'm attacking your belief that police are entitled to punish crimes. Police in many cases think they are especially entitled to punish crimes against themselves. So we have polices thinking themselves special, above the laws they enforce on others.

Police are supposed to be the alternative to personal justice, not it's embodiment.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Didn't say it wasn't a crime. I'm attacking your belief that police are entitled to punish crimes. Police in many cases think they are especially entitled to punish crimes against themselves. So we have polices thinking themselves special, above the laws they enforce on others.

Police are supposed to be the alternative to personal justice, not it's embodiment.

No issue, I don't buy the Judge Dredd thing myself.

But you're implying that Brown got shot as some sort of punishment or sentence.

That's wholly inaccurate.

1. He was a threat.
2. Threat was neutralized.
3. End of story.
4. 100% justified.

[donquixote99]

Zeke, you are superior to no one.

I think the desire to feel superior motivates a lot of crime, btw.

What you are is a perfect example of why it is said 'science advances when the old generation of scientists dies off.' People of a certain age become very invested in the theories of their cohort, and vomit all over anyone who questions them.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Zeke, you are superior to no one.

BULLSHIT.

And this is why you are, continually, getting this one wrong.

There is a subset of humans who are animals. No remorse, no love, no empathy. They take what they want, possess no discernible moral or ethical code. They're monsters. I've seen them, worked among them...

In a perfect world, these individuals never see the light of day or, at most, for one hour in twenty four post conviction...

Your statement is naive, shows why you're having issues fully understanding the full depth and breadth of this topic.

You don't even know what you don't know.

I'm happy for you.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Zeke

No issue, I don't buy the Judge Dredd thing myself.

But you're implying that Brown got shot as some sort of punishment or sentence.

That's wholly inaccurate.

1. He was a threat.
2. Threat was neutralized.
3. End of story.
4. 100% justified.

Putting numbers in front of each of a set of assertions does not make them 'linear' or 'logical.'

Your sequence may fail at number 1., in any case. It is not demonstrated that he was a threat at the time he was shot, and there is evidence that he was not.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Putting numbers in front of each of a set of assertions does not make them 'linear' or 'logical.'

Your sequence may fail at number 1., in any case. It is not demonstrated that he was a threat at the time he was shot, and there is evidence that he was not.

If you've attacked me, you're still standing, and are within a car length?

You're a threat.

Human beings are harder to bring down than you might expect. There are classic police training cases of mortally wounded individuals murdering officers before they expire.

That's why you fire until complete neutralization.

Your arguments keep failing because you just plain don't know the codified models.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Zeke

BULLSHIT.

And this is why you are, continually, getting this one wrong.

There is a subset of humans who are animals. No remorse, no love, no empathy. They take what they want, possess no discernible moral or ethical code. They're monsters. I've seen them, worked among them...

In a perfect world, these individuals never see the light of day or, at most, for one hour in twenty four post conviction...

Your statement is naive, shows why you're having issues fully understanding the full depth and breadth of this topic.

You don't even know what you don't know.

I'm happy for you.

You are angered by contradiction. Tsk.

All humans are animals. Only relatively few, thankfully, are the no-empathy for-ANYONE psychopaths you describe. Most criminals are not psychopaths.

Judge Dredd, the label you mentioned, is what you are. You want to read criminals out of the human race, and execute them.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

This is dis-information at it's finest.

Neither got him. He got away with a double murder.

Al Capone got away with plenty more than OJ.

But he finally got put away for tax evasion.

And he died in prison.

Most people think justice was served in that case.

So why not with OJ?