Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by icenine

Yes I have been hard on you...you are more objective about it all...your use of the flash term "mob" gets me going however.

I do not connect the protests with the event. I am sure they probably got a grand jury going but otherwise I really do not connect them with anything.

I do not Wilson sent away for life....just put on trial if he indeed used excessively deadly force, that is all. I think most police departments generally are above board and when they use deadly force are justified....and usually there are no protests afterward.


I do not want an America where someone is killed by authority and we just take it a face value because the police do not think they have to answer to anyone.

There was the black man in NYC who was killed because he was put in an illegal choke hold after supposedly selling cigarettes. There was homeless man beaten to death by cops here in Orange County. There is the case in Florida where the person allegedly shot himself to death in the chest while having his handcuffed behind is back in a patrol car. Maybe I let this influence my viewing of the Wilson case.

What else to you call a group that threatens violence if the wheels of justice turn in a direction they don't like?

As for the choking in NYC, a grand jury has also been empaneled to see if charges are warranted.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0HL25K20140926

As for the handcuff shooting in Louisiana (not Florida), it too is being investigated by appropriate local and Federal authorities, including the DOJ.

http://www.frostillustrated.com/2014...mands-answers/

The guilt or innocence of the cops in NYC or LA has nothing to do with the guilt or innocence of the cop in Ferguson.

What's your solution? Immediately lynch any cop who shoots somebody before the grand jury finishes its investigation?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It's abundantly clear, however, that you would be disqualified from sitting on such a jury.

No, I'd put on a great act of being the perfect unbiased jury candidate.

Then when I got on there I'd do everything I could to see to it that Wilson got hung.

It's the least I could do to try to restore some balance to our entire legal system which is is grotesquely biased in favor of the Police, and against black males.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

What else to you call a group that threatens violence if the wheels of justice turn in a direction they don't like?

As for the choking in NYC, a grand jury has also been empaneled to see if charges are warranted.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0HL25K20140926

As for the handcuff shooting in Louisiana (not Florida), it too is being investigated by appropriate local and Federal authorities, including the DOJ.

http://www.frostillustrated.com/2014...mands-answers/

The guilt or innocence of the cops in NYC or LA has nothing to do with the guilt or innocence of the cop in Ferguson.

What's your solution? Immediately lynch any cop who shoots somebody before the grand jury finishes its investigation?

I do not recall the term lynch being used by myself at any time. I am not using such inflammatory terms as lynch or mob as a matter of fact. If this case does ever go to trial I am confident any jury will be able to sort out the truth in relation to the whatever charges that are involved. No matter what the racial make-up is.

Do not get all "monolithic" on us there lol.


I think people just want to know what really happened. There are conflicting accounts.
I personally believe it may have been excessive deadly force. Others do not. I find it disturbing to be accused of being part of a lynch mob just because I may think something wrong happened. I am entitled to my beliefs as much as you are.

So what is up with these leaks from a "secret" grand jury then anyway?

Gosh I am going to the thrift store...being flamed increases your chance of scoring a Fisher 400

[sheltiedave]

Good luck with the 400..it's a very nice receiver.

The very fact that the DA called Wilson to testify, and apparently allowed him to answer questions for three hours+, revealed what McCullock wants to happen.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

Good luck with the 400..it's a very nice receiver.

The very fact that the DA called Wilson to testify, and apparently allowed him to answer questions for three hours+, revealed what McCullock wants to happen.

It reveals nothing. Would you prefer than he didn't have Wilson testify? Jeez.

[Rajoo]

AP Exclusive (Nov. 2): Ferguson no-fly zone aimed at media

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...035_story.html

So much for transparency.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

If this case does ever go to trial I am confident any jury will be able to sort out the truth in relation to the whatever charges that are involved.

Maybe, maybe not.

I lost a lot of faith in jury trials after the Zimmerman verdict.

Still, it would be better than having the whole thing swept under the rug by a Grand Jury which I expect will be the case.

[sheltiedave]

The grand jury findings do not need to be followed if they do not recommend charges; all the DA has to do is convince a single trial judge to issue indictment(s.)

With the DA being the ONLY attorney involved in both situations, and the DA being the only person allowed to call and interview witnesses before the grand jury, their job is pivotal. A DA who does not want an indictment recommendation will not get one.

In an interesting political flip, the black caucus and other strong black political organizations have recommended voting for the Republican county executive candidate en masse, as a protest move. As a result, many undecided white voters are in the more conservative southern county districts, in a reactionary move, are steeling themselves to vote for the Democratic candidate. It's a strange world.

[sheltiedave]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It reveals nothing. Would you prefer than he didn't have Wilson testify? Jeez.

Actually, yes, that is exactly what I would prefer. Then we would get to hear everything, with lawyers going at it tooth and nail, in a real court where it means something. The only strange thing would be the fact that most all would want the state's case against the police officer to be presented by a private group of attorneys, rather than the county DA office.

Again, my prime objective is transparency. I have read, heard, and seen enough to know there is a whole lot of explaining and fact that never will be addressed by the grand jury testimony. In an actual trial, every word and witness is acountable, and both sides' attorneys are doing their best possible professional job. An open trial will bring focus and resolution. As it is, we will never see or hear from Wilson again in our lives. He will move out of state and disappear, having become at the same time a shining poster boy of "good shot" policing and a pariah to society.

We don't even have an exact time nailed down for when Wilson called for assistance, and then what time the dispatcher announced the robbery. And we are more than two months later at this point.

The no fly media zone, the debtor's courts, the unreviewable license to kill, the must be walking to protest requirement, the no cause journalists' arrests, the search and seizure programs, the recent code enforcement crackdowns of individuals' properties identified in daylight protests, all are part and parcel of being unable to say "no" to police requests/demands. And our county DA has a long history of working as a well bonded partner of law enforcement.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Maybe, maybe not.

I lost a lot of faith in jury trials after the Zimmerman verdict.

Still, it would be better than having the whole thing swept under the rug by a Grand Jury which I expect will be the case.

I lost my faith in jury trials after the OJ verdict.