Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I have just as much idea as anyone here what happened there and it is far less of an idea than the grand jury or DOJ. I have a particular distaste for the politicization of such a shooting and the mob in Ferguson trying to improperly influence the proper adjudication of justice.

I'll also readily admit to being repelled by stories covered ad nauseum by cable news without little or no idea of what occurred, be it a cute blonde girl going missing in Aruba or a strong-arm robber and cop assailant being shot in the streets of Ferguson. These are local stories and should be handled locally, both in terms of media coverage and jurisprudence.

When it comes to young black males being shot by police it's not local, it's a nationwide pattern.

http://www.propublica.org/article/de...lack-and-white

Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts – 21 times greater, according to a ProPublica analysis of federally collected data on fatal police shootings.

The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.

One way of appreciating that stark disparity, ProPublica's analysis shows, is to calculate how many more whites over those three years would have had to have been killed for them to have been at equal risk. The number is jarring – 185, more than one per week.

ProPublica's risk analysis on young males killed by police certainly seems to support what has been an article of faith in the African American community for decades: Blacks are being killed at disturbing rates when set against the rest of the American population.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I have just as much idea as anyone here what happened there and it is far less of an idea than the grand jury or DOJ. I have a particular distaste for the politicization of such a shooting and the mob in Ferguson trying to improperly influence the proper adjudication of justice.

I'll also readily admit to being repelled by stories covered ad nauseum by cable news without little or no idea of what occurred, be it a cute blonde girl going missing in Aruba or a strong-arm robber and cop assailant being shot in the streets of Ferguson. These are local stories and should be handled locally, both in terms of media coverage and jurisprudence.

in other words you sure wished there was some more compelling evidence to support the Wilson side of things. There is none. Otherwise they would have brought it out.

All your posts are about nobody knowing what went on. Well guess what 3 months out and your boy Wilson's story is still about as clear as pea soup. If you don't care why are you posting here then?

[icenine]

The idea that the media controversy around this case is an effort to make Democrats win in the mid-terms is both ridiculous and borders on paranoia.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

be it a cute blonde girl going missing in Aruba

That's another issue entirely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing...woman_syndrome

Missing white woman syndrome (MWWS) is a phrase used by social scientists to describe the extensive media coverage, especially in television, of missing person cases that involve young, white, upper-middle-class women or girls.[1] Sociologists define the media phenomenon as the undue focus on upper-middle-class white women who disappear, with the disproportionate degree of coverage they receive being compared to cases concerning missing women of other ethnicities and social classes, or with missing males of all social classes and ethnicities

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

You're really all over the map on this one. In earlier posts in this thread, you allow that you'd be OK with Wilson being acquitted in a trial. Yet, you seem to want to keep milking certain "facts". Such as:



I don't think that there is universal agreement that he was "running away." The forensic reports apparently don't support that.

But whatever he was doing or thinking, what does it really matter? You seem to want to try to crawl inside his head and try to extract a rational explanation for what he was doing at the time he was shot. I'd suggest that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he was acting very irrationally immediately prior to his death. He allegedly was involved in a robbery and then attacked a cop. So why should we assume that he somehow became rational - such that we could ascribe a rational explanation for what he was doing - just before he was shot?

Being OK with Wilson being acquitted in a trial means I want a trial. Trials don't always decide things rightly, but I think they are the best shot at getting to the truth that we've been able ti devise, and I will accept the results.

What forensic evidence do we have that speaks to the matter of Brown running, then stopping and turning around? I think you've made a mistake in your mind on this one.

Speaking of 'all over the map,' first you accuse me 'crawling inside Browns head,' then you do so and find he was 'very irrational.' Either drawing conclusions from behavior is OK, or it isn't. Can't have it both ways.

[sheltiedave]

Originally Posted by whell

You're really all over the map on this one. In earlier posts in this thread, you allow that you'd be OK with Wilson being acquitted in a trial. Yet, you seem to want to keep milking certain "facts". Such as:



I don't think that there is universal agreement that he was "running away." The forensic reports apparently don't support that.

But whatever he was doing or thinking, what does it really matter? You seem to want to try to crawl inside his head and try to extract a rational explanation for what he was doing at the time he was shot. I'd suggest that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he was acting very irrationally immediately prior to his death. He allegedly was involved in a robbery and then attacked a cop. So why should we assume that he somehow became rational - such that we could ascribe a rational explanation for what he was doing - just before he was shot?

Actually, all the testimony and forensic evidence supports that brown initially was in a fight at the front door of the vehicle, and fell to the ground well beyond the car. ThAt supports there was a disengagement.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by icenine

The idea that the media controversy around this case is an effort to make Democrats win in the mid-terms is both ridiculous and borders on paranoia.

Really? You aren't really that naive, are you?



http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2014/10...ther-ferguson/

Of course the Democrats are using it to rally their base, just as the GOP is using Ebola and ISIS. Fear is a strong motivator.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Really?



http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2014/10...ther-ferguson/

Of course the Democrats are using it to rally their base, just as the GOP is using Ebola and ISIS. Fear is a strong motivator.

Bullshit. Quit using false equivalency. The media coverage is about the shooting itself. The Senate race is a referendum on Obama. The only elected officials that need to be worried are the ones running in St. Louis.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by icenine

Bullshit. Quit using false equivalency. The media coverage is about the shooting itself. The Senate race is a referendum on Obama. The only elected officials that need to be worried are the ones running in St. Louis.

False equivalency? All I'm saying is that those in the Democratic-leaning media (e.g., MSNBC), talking heads and political campaigns are not above using the incident in Ferguson to pump up their base. If not, how would you describe the motives behind this campaign poster in Georgia? Don't get me wrong - generally, I prefer Democrats to most of the knuckle-dragging assholes running for GOP seats, but neither party is above trying to capitalize on such incidents.

[sheltiedave]

How about the white construction laborers who saw virtually the whole thing go down, and were in an outstanding position to see it, unobstructed. Their on the scene reaction is unequivocal and forceful.

Maybe some of you missed it....
http://www.ryot.org/new-footage-prov...-raised/807709