Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Thank you Sean Hannity!

Why else would people such as you who have no feckin' clue what happened there pretend to care so much? It seems to me that after you commit a strong-arm robbery of a convenience store, you take the chance of having a run-in with the law. I simply refuse to be manipulated into giving a shit.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by finnbow

That too doesn't comport with the evidence. I'm puzzled by your knee-jerk defense of a robber who assaulted both a business owner and a cop.

Personally, I don't give a shit one way or the other about a lawless kid being shot by a cop a thousand miles away from me. If it happened once again just like this, I still wouldn't give a shit.

I'm far more concerned about innocent children being murdered in school.

Failure of empathy.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/ferguson-failure-empathy/

Quoted at beginning:

“He was 6 feet 4 and weighed 300 pounds,” he said. “Think about that.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Why else would people such as you who have no feckin' clue what happened there pretend to care so much? It seems to me that after you commit a strong-arm robbery of a convenience store, you take the chance of having a run-in with the law. I simply refuse to be manipulated into giving a shit.

Wow. Finn, this clearly punches some button for you, big time. The language is most uncharacteristic, as is the lack of objective analysis, or your usually-evident good will.

Please don't reply. It's not my intention to grill you, berate you, show you up, or convince you. Just hope you'll think again in the future.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Failure of empathy.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/ferguson-failure-empathy/

Quoted at beginning:

I'll readily admit to a lack of empathy for a felon who robbed a store, assaulted a cop and ended up dead in the street, particularly when the event gets all twisted up in partisan politics and dissected/manipulated, ad nauseum, by people who have as little of idea of what occurred as I do. I'm perfectly content to let the grand jury and DOJ do their jobs without being told that I should react as a loyal liberal to one of thousands of murders that occur every year in this country.

There are literally thousands of people much less deserving that end up at the wrong end of gun. Why should I care disproportionately about this one? Just because CNN and MSNBC chose to spend countless hours covering it without knowing any better than I what occurred?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I'll readily admit to a lack of empathy for a felon who robbed a store, assaulted a cop and ended up dead in the street, particularly when the event gets all twisted up in partisan politics and dissected/manipulated, ad nauseum, by people who have as little of idea of what occurred as I do. I'm perfectly content to let the grand jury and DOJ do their jobs without being told that I should react as a loyal liberal to one of thousands of murders that occur every year in this country.

Not so. You are not paying attention, because you don't care, and are actually repelled by the story, for some reason.

It follows that people who are able to pay attention may indeed have more of an idea of what happened than you do.

It's interesting that you do call it a murder, though.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Not so. You are not paying attention, because you don't care, and are actually repelled by the story, for some reason.

It follows that people who are able to pay attention may indeed have more of an idea of what happened than you do.

You're really all over the map on this one. In earlier posts in this thread, you allow that you'd be OK with Wilson being acquitted in a trial. Yet, you seem to want to keep milking certain "facts". Such as:

Originally Posted by donquixote99

You're focused on the fact that Brown was 'threatening.'

How threatening is he when running away? Everyone agrees he was running away.

Then he stopped. Accounts and speculation diverge on what happened after that. Maybe he tried to surrender. Maybe he took a threatening step towards Wilson (everything this guy ever did was threatening). Maybe he 'charged' Wilson.

But keep in mind, he was running away, and then he stopped doing that. Why? Fear of bullets whizzing around him? So Wilson was firing at Brown's threatening back as it was heading away?

Seems so to me. What else would have stopped him?

I don't think that there is universal agreement that he was "running away." The forensic reports apparently don't support that.

But whatever he was doing or thinking, what does it really matter? You seem to want to try to crawl inside his head and try to extract a rational explanation for what he was doing at the time he was shot. I'd suggest that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he was acting very irrationally immediately prior to his death. He allegedly was involved in a robbery and then attacked a cop. So why should we assume that he somehow became rational - such that we could ascribe a rational explanation for what he was doing - just before he was shot?

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Because it's obvious to me that the police in that community have a pattern of using bullying and intimidation tactics against black males and that has created an atmosphere of hate and distrust. It's also obvious to me that Wilson provoked the response from Brown by coming on with the same bullying and intimidation tactics. Tactics that they would not be able to get away with in an upper middle class white neighborhood. Hell, they wouldn't even dream of trying it. If Wilson had handled the situation in a professional manner there would have been no altercation and no shooting.

On top of that Brown had already retreated and was a good 20 feet from Wilson when he was shot. Brown was unarmed, Wilson had his gun drawn and ready to fire. There is no way that that can be spun into Wilson being in fear for his life.

Originally Posted by finnbow

Why else would people such as you who have no feckin' clue what happened there pretend to care so much? It seems to me that after you commit a strong-arm robbery of a convenience store, you take the chance of having a run-in with the law. I simply refuse to be manipulated into giving a shit.

Pretend? That's an assumption on your part. If you truly do not care then you should not care about what interested people that care do say, regardless of their motivation. That's like saying "listen but don't respond".

I agree mostly as TJ has stated, this is a case of unique circumstances in the town of Ferguson. My interest is how the legal system plays out. I am confidant that Wilson will walk free come January '05. One would hope that a police officer would have more self restraint from shooting at an unarmed civilian even when under physical assault than an armed civilian shooting in self defense. The only reasonable justification for Wilson to kill Brown is that even an unarmed Brown posed a threat to society. I am not sure very many people are buying that as of now.

Until this case is closed people are going to speculate especially since the Grand Jury testimony is being leaked out. This is akin to watching Fox news not because you are interested in the news itself but fascinated by the spin.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by whell

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I'd suggest that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he was acting very irrationally immediately prior to his death. He allegedly was involved in a robbery and then attacked a cop. So why should we assume that he somehow became rational - such that we could ascribe a rational explanation for what he was doing - just before he was shot?

I agree with ya, Whell.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Not so. You are not paying attention, because you don't care, and are actually repelled by the story, for some reason.

It follows that people who are able to pay attention may indeed have more of an idea of what happened than you do.

It's interesting that you do call it a murder, though.

I have just as much idea as anyone here what happened there and it is far less of an idea than the grand jury or DOJ. I have a particular distaste for the politicization of such a shooting and the mob in Ferguson trying to improperly influence the proper adjudication of justice.

I'll also readily admit to being repelled by stories covered ad nauseum by cable news without little or no idea of what occurred, be it a cute blonde girl going missing in Aruba or a strong-arm robber and cop assailant being shot in the streets of Ferguson. These are local stories and should be handled locally, both in terms of media coverage and jurisprudence.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I don't give enough of a shit to care, to be honest. It seems to me that the knee-jerk condemnation of the cop by liberals, while praising the assailant, is nothing but a nation-wide attempt to curry favor with African-Americans in this election season. Such stories covered incessantly by cable news are the sort of thing I reflexively ignore. I just don't care.

If there were 6 white witnesses and only 2 black ones would you feel the same way?