"Here's How You Get Ebola"

[icenine]

[sheltiedave]

Originally Posted by icenine

Too say that health workers screw up is a bit unfair. Imagine you are into a 10 hour shift, dead tired, and a patient comes in with Ebola. No matter how good you are you are not your best after 10 hours in a busy ER...plus it is obvious that the management at the hospital in Texas was not up to snuff in protocols and PPE. At the end of the day the virus itself is causing the illness and no matter how good you are people will catch something. Otherwise no one would ever get sick.

Yep, right you are. I have dealt with a one year old that is projectile vomiting and has explosive trots. If you can't stay clean handling a baby, imagine trying to be more successful handling a grown man, while also handling a couple ivs, doing a tracheotomy or intubation, cleaning up all the fluids, charting, taking blood samples, temps, hydration and nutrition, while in level B or C PPE. What a picnic!

This is going to get worse before it gets better. We aren't talking about MERSA, we are dealing with a biologic that until now has been dismissed as a third world problem. As Hurricane Katrina, illustrated, we are 48 hours removed from being a third world country.

[bobabode]

Consider this, (despite all the round the clock, hair on fire media coverage and non stop politicking and fear mongering from the right,) at the present time we have two people infected (the historic norm of 1.92 to 1).

Most of the intitial at risk are showing no signs of infection and will be released from quarantine in a couple of days.

People need to take a deep breath, turn off the one eyed monster of Foxturds, CNN and MSN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0xr31XbSOU

Follow the bouncing ball...

[piece-itpete]

Or NPR Bob. It's 24-7.

In spite of the startup fits and issues I'd rather be in the hands of the CDC than anyone else I can think of.

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Or NPR Bob. It's 24-7.

In spite of the startup fits and issues I'd rather be in the hands of the CDC than anyone else I can think of.

Pete

I know it's been touched on before but imho these two infections and possibly Duncan's death fall squarely on Texas Presbyterian Hospital's administration.

The CDC sets guidelines and these profit first ghouls ignored them. The spokesman admitted that they didn't even hold training classes, hell, they didn't even have a couple of sets of the gear required to keep the nurses safe on hand. A$$holes.

The good news is that Nina Pham, R.N. is doing alright since Dr. Brantley provided his blood for a transfusion.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by icenine

Too say that health workers screw up is a bit unfair. Imagine you are into a 10 hour shift, dead tired, and a patient comes in with Ebola. No matter how good you are you are not your best after 10 hours in a busy ER...plus it is obvious that the management at the hospital in Texas was not up to snuff in protocols and PPE. At the end of the day the virus itself is causing the illness and no matter how good you are people will catch something. Otherwise no one would ever get sick.

I understand 10 hour shifts on a hospital floor. I was a social worker on a psych unit for a year...it pretty much overwhelmed me. And I wasn't dealing with Ebola, just people with bipolar disorder, self-mutilators, etc.

One of the problems with the precautions being used in Africa is that after about 15 minutes in one of those plastic enclosures with no A/C, you're about to pass out. Workers are stripping their gear off without taking the time to make sure they're doing it safely.

But there are not a lot of reasons why workers are coming down with the virus. As you mentioned...the precaution protocols are inadequate. Or the training on the adequate precaution protocols is inadequate. Or after a 10 or 12 hour shit, an error is made when removing the gear, either due to inadequate training, or exhaustion, or a simple mistake.

If that's too harsh I apologize...but it's still pretty much the story.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Consider this, (despite all the round the clock, hair on fire media coverage and non stop politicking and fear mongering from the right,) at the present time we have two people infected (the historic norm of 1.92 to 1).

Most of the intitial at risk are showing no signs of infection and will be released from quarantine in a couple of days.

People need to take a deep breath, turn off the one eyed monster of Foxturds, CNN and MSN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0xr31XbSOU

Follow the bouncing ball...

IIRC a well respected pundit wanted to Neutron & Napalm 'em.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I know it's been touched on before but imho these two infections and possibly Duncan's death fall squarely on Texas Presbyterian Hospital's administration.

The CDC sets guidelines and these profit first ghouls ignored them. The spokesman admitted that they didn't even hold training classes, hell, they didn't even have a couple of sets of the gear required to keep the nurses safe on hand. A$$holes.

The good news is that Nina Pham, R.N. is doing alright since Dr. Brantley provided his blood for a transfusion.

In essence you're saying that every US hospital should already be fully equipped and have properly trained staff on duty to handle a disease that didn't exist here a month ago.

It is good news about Nina and here's to our continued good fortune.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by nailer

In essence you're saying that every US hospital should already be fully equipped and have properly trained staff on duty to handle a disease that didn't exist here a month ago.

It is good news about Nina and here's to our continued good fortune.

I think they are only talking about six to eight hospitals set up nationally to deal with this disease.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

I think they are only talking about six to eight hospitals set up nationally to deal with this disease.

This may indeed be the case now. My post is about the state our Ebola preparedness when the infected Duncan landed.