Employee Health Insurance Costs Barely Increased This Year - Page 2

Zeke · #11 09-11-2014, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Without Obamacare we paid 50% more than the next most expensive 1st world government sponsored health care system...which puts us, on the average, in 40th place in outcomes among 1st world countries.

With Obamacare it's the same deal, but at least there's coverage for most people who couldn't get it before. Which is nice, but it's still shit.

But Bob...we can't blame only the GOP for this. Even with Republican opposition, the primary reason why we don't have a decent healthcare system is because a majority of the ignorant fucking people don't want one. And that includes most alleged "progressives" as well.

What this 5 cent cigar needs is a good country. What this country needs is a good electorate.

In my opinion, this is the best post I've ever seen you write.

FULL HEARTED KUDOS.

Ike Bana · #12 09-11-2014, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

In my opinion, this is the best post I've ever seen you write.

FULL HEARTED KUDOS.

I have a problem with redundancy, Zeke. It's at least the fourth time I've made this or similar statements making the same points in my relatively brief participation here.

But thank-you for paying attention this time.

JJIII · #13 09-11-2014, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I have a problem with redundancy, Zeke. It's at least the fourth time I've made this or similar statements making the same points in my relatively brief participation here.

But thank-you for paying attention this time.

Check posts 29 and 30 in the Ohio Shitbucket thread!

JBS... · #14 09-11-2014, 08:27 AM

When do the 2015 rates come out?

Oh btw, "Since 2009, the average deductible has risen 47 percent"

whell · #15 09-11-2014, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JBS...

When do the 2015 rates come out?

Oh btw, "Since 2009, the average deductible has risen 47 percent"

That, of course, is the key to the entire article. The Kaiser foundation study is only looking at premium costs for plans purchased, not premium costs for LIKE PLANS year over year. So, what's really happening here is that the plans that are being purchased are "less rich" year over year, which is the key reason that the spend on premium is rising at a lower rate. Its rising at a lower rate because last year the plan had a $1000 deductible, and this year the employers/employees couldn't afford that, so they opted for the $1500 deductible plan instead. So the employer / employees had a 3 or 4% renewal versus a 10 -12% renewal.

So, to those of you crowing and preening about the wonders of Obamacare and rolling out the predictable "blame Rupbs" mantra, suggest you take a closer look at the facts. For instance:

And:

Changing plan designs to include more cost sharing with employees has become one of the key - and in some cases only - tool to help employers control the rise in health care premiums, and to continue to offer plans that the employer can afford to offer, and that employees can afford to buy.

donquixote99 · #16 09-11-2014, 09:09 AM

Good info. Consumers are avoiding double-digit rate increases, but paying higher deductables.

bobabode · #17 09-11-2014, 10:00 AM

Facts, schmacts. My comment about idiots voting for the Repugs stems from the all out assault on single payer by the insurance industry and their overwhelmingly Republican lapdogs in congress. I really don't give a fig if we have slightly higher premiums or deductables if the result is the poor being able to receive healthcare that is their due in an allegedly civilized country. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Repugs.