Well, it's done

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Will someone please read the f**king manual. The restrictions on the heat insurance industry kick in in 6 months. The compulsory bit is in 2014, tax on so called Caddilac plans not until2018. If you are at or below 400% of the poverty line you get some aid in paying.

We will not likely see any change so we will still be paying whatever Medicare B charges, currently $96.40 each per month for our two flu shots. Blue Cross/Blue Shiels Care first about $4800 each per year. I forget what the disaster part costs.

And you can blame all this on the American penchant for, as Churchill noted "Ultimately doing the right thing after you have tried every conceivable alternative first." slightly paraphrased and not an exact quote.

Another excellent post.
You were awfully close on the quote too:

“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.”

[Zeke]

Reality is this: those of us with insurance -- and I just lost my job, it goes away July 1, 2010 -- have been paying for those who don't, anyway.

That's not the issue. The issue, is that a man who has done nothing but consume bacon, cigarettes and lard for fifty years dies on the operating table while having a bypass and his family sues the hospital. (And wins or settles for $$$.)

That's why healthcare is so expensive, malpractice and other insurance rates are insane, and liability costs for providing care are extensive.

What was that break point? $88k? So, if you make less than $88k, your costs don't increase. As the median household income -- across the board -- in the United States is $40k, I'd say we just positively impacted a lot of people.

I'm cool with that.

But we didn't fix the problem.

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Reality is this: those of us with insurance -- and I just lost my job, it goes away July 1, 2010 -- have been paying for those who don't, anyway.

That's not the issue. The issue, is that a man who has done nothing but consume bacon, cigarettes and lard for fifty years dies on the operating table while having a bypass and his family sues the hospital. (And wins or settles for $$$.)

That's why healthcare is so expensive, malpractice and other insurance rates are insane, and liability costs for providing care are extensive.

What was that break point? $88k? So, if you make less than $88k, your costs don't increase. As the median household income -- across the board -- in the United States is $40k, I'd say we just positively impacted a lot of people.

I'm cool with that.

But we didn't fix the problem.

Good post!
Nope, the problem is not fixed. But to quote Churchill again:

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

It needed to start somewhere. Not the start that I would have liked to see (that being a full Canadian style health system), but certainly MUCH better than what was there before.

[noonereal]

BS this is a disaster and a continuation of mandated corporate profits

[rickr15]

That's not the issue. The issue, is that a man who has done nothing but consume bacon, cigarettes and lard for fifty years dies on the operating table while having a bypass and his family sues the hospital. (And wins or settles for $$$.)

That's why healthcare is so expensive, malpractice and other insurance rates are insane, and liability costs for providing care are extensive.

Well Zeke I think you hit on one of the larger problems with todays society. Suing others for problems you caused. The Mcdonalds coffee lady comes to mind.
Don't even get me started on jurys that are dumb enough to facilitate this scam.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

I guess we can allow people to opt out of supporting the military also. Local police maybe too.

Hey Eric

The military is clearly the domain of the Federal gov't and police are local, we can cut their budget anytime we want. Which we should

Pete

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Hey Eric

The military is clearly the domain of the Federal gov't and police are local, we can cut their budget anytime we want. Which we should

Pete

Hey Pete.
Yup, have at it cutting those two budgets. Should be a piece of cake!

[piece-itpete]

Lol. But I meant the cops. I'm starting to get a bad attitude about them.

Pete

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Lol. But I meant the cops. I'm starting to get a bad attitude about them.

Pete

Rebel! Next thing we know, you'll start calling them pigs.

Actually, I'm all for paying the people. It's the providing redundancies upon redundancies of unnecessary weapon systems that needs to be cut. You can be a rebel if I can be a dreamer.

Regards,

D-Ray

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

. You can be a rebel if I can be a dreamer.

Done!

But I'll have to grow my hair out and start yelling 'Anachy for the new millennium'!

Pete