Israel has invaded Gaza...

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Us arguing just who is more to blame for the unrest. Big waste of time, for both sides are as guilty as the other when it comes to inhumane actions and reactions.

Yes both!

Until both sides see a benefit of working together nothing will change. Short of killing off completely one side or the other there will always be problems unless some real give and take occurs. Big sacrifices for Israel and concessions and or realizations of reality from the Palestinians. I don't see it happening anytime soon.


Barney

Any killing will stop and stop immediately when the last rocket or mortar round is fired into an Israeli neighborhood. There has never been an Israeli military action taken against Hamas other than in response to an attack by Hamas.

Israel wants this to end, but even if provided a sovereign homeland recognized by the world community, Hamas it will never allow it to end as long as there is a sovereign State of Israel.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Any killing will stop and stop immediately when the last rocket or mortar round is fired into an Israeli neighborhood. There has never been an Israeli military action taken against Hamas other than in response to an attack by Hamas.

Israel wants this to end, but even if provided a sovereign homeland recognized by the world community, Hamas it will never allow it to end as long as there is a sovereign State of Israel.

If Israel were to relinquish some of the prime land stolen from the Palestinians. Allow them some dignity and sovereignty, in short do unto others. Maybe some of the anger will be replaced with tolerance. But the continuing building of settlements and the hundreds of thousands now forced to live in camps for close to sixty years. I can see a reason to have little hope.



Barney

[nailer]

Originally Posted by finnbow

... Israel's unsavory tactics in Gaza, including the bombing/shelling of known UN schools and hospitals.

Good strategy is often seen as unsavory by those the strategy addresses and the contextually unsophisticated. Even the best delivery system's generate collateral damage.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Oerets

If Israel were to relinquish some of the prime land stolen from the Palestinians. Allow them some dignity and sovereignty, in short do unto others. Maybe some of the anger will be replaced with tolerance. But the continuing building of settlements and the hundreds of thousands now forced to live in camps for close to sixty years. I can see a reason to have little hope.



Barney

Under its current strategy Israel has hope and the nonexistent Palestine doesn't.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by nailer

Good strategy is often seen as unsavory by those the strategy addresses and the contextually unsophisticated. Even the best delivery system's generate collateral damage.

An example of what I mean is when the Israelis tried to take out a bad guy on a motorcycle as he passed in front of a UN school housing 3,000 refugees in Rafah. Rather than using some sort of smart weapons or wait until the bike cleared the area near the school, they unleashed a barrage of inaccurate dumb weapons on the general neighborhood, killing and wounding 45 innocent people.

I understand that they did indeed get the bad guy, but ended up causing a lot of civilian casualties even after Israel was told of the co-ordinates of the school 33 times, the last time just one hour before the deadly strike. This was the third incident of its type where dumb munitions were used to blanket the area around a school that was identified on multiple occasions by the UN as a refugee center. In none of these cases were the schools being used to support offensive operations by Hamas.

Say what you want, but Israel clearly has the technology to avoid such indiscriminate killing and is not serving its own interests by not using it.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/israel-c...04-1002k8.html

[donquixote99]

One wonders if they weren't just waiting for a target to go past the school, so they could do that. It is a punitive expedition, after all....

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by nailer

Under its current strategy Israel has hope and the nonexistent Palestine doesn't.

Isn't it bad strategy to leave an enemy with no way out?

[Dondilion]

Israel is still blowing up homes of relatives of suspects.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Isn't it bad strategy to leave an enemy with no way out?

Not if the enemy is cancerous. Israel's goal is removal, not remission.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by finnbow

An example of what I mean is when the Israelis tried to take out a bad guy on a motorcycle as he passed in front of a UN school housing 3,000 refugees in Rafah. Rather than using some sort of smart weapons or wait until the bike cleared the area near the school, they unleashed a barrage of inaccurate dumb weapons on the general neighborhood, killing and wounding 45 innocent people.

I understand that they did indeed get the bad guy, but ended up causing a lot of civilian casualties even after Israel was told of the co-ordinates of the school 33 times, the last time just one hour before the deadly strike. This was the third incident of its type where dumb munitions were used to blanket the area around a school that was identified on multiple occasions by the UN as a refugee center. In none of these cases were the schools being used to support offensive operations by Hamas.

Say what you want, but Israel clearly has the technology to avoid such indiscriminate killing and is not serving its own interests by not using it.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/israel-c...04-1002k8.html

You just described a tactical operation against a target of opportunity. It's happened at least three times, indicating that this tactic is part of Israel's overarching strategy.

Say what you want, but I think it's clear that Israel does not perceive what I've termed collateral damage as being indiscriminate. Apparently you are unaware that Israel doesn't care what others perceive as Israel's best interest.