18 and Dead.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Zeke

With the significant difference that, decades ago, folks were fighting for the rights of people to act free in society and, today, apologists are supporting the ability of a suspected criminal to resist arrest...

That's nothing more than entitlement.

Again, an unworthy distortion.

What is supported is Browns right not to be cut down in the street, unless there is proper cause. You were saying before that a fleeing suspect can be shot only in certain circumstances. Would you be willing to expand on what those circumstances are?

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

No, I'm just sick of the whole circus surrounding this event, including all the baseless speculation. Unless the rules have changed, justice is served through a thorough investigation, a grand jury, and indictment and a trial based upon evidence and sworn testimony. It just seems to me that some on this board actually believe that they have enough information to short cut this system and jump right to the verdict.

Nobody directly involved in this sorry spectacle has covered themselves in glory, from the cops to the media to the community itself. I expect to develop a better understanding of what actually happened as the legal process unfolds, not as a result of somebody here throwing a dart in a dark room.

Ok

I expect the clarity to be coming soon. Then it will all be over.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by finnbow

No, I'm just sick of the whole circus surrounding this event, including all the baseless speculation. Unless the rules have changed, justice is served through a thorough investigation, a grand jury, and indictment and a trial based upon evidence and sworn testimony. It just seems to me that some on this board actually believe that they have enough information to short cut this system and jump right to the verdict.

Nobody directly involved in this sorry spectacle has covered themselves in glory, from the cops to the media to the community itself. I expect to develop a better understanding of what actually happened as the legal process unfolds, not as a result of somebody here throwing a dart in a dark room.

What I have done is answer pleadings that claim certainty that the cops are righteous. I've offered alternatives that I feel also fit the few apparent facts. I've stated that these are not demonstrated, and that more facts are needed.

Do you have a problem with me doing this? I don't know if I'm in the 'some' or not at this point, in your view.

[Pio1980]

Got KMOX on now, continuing coverage of the events. It's been exactly one week since the beginning.

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[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Again, an unworthy distortion.

What is supported is Browns right not to be cut down in the street, unless there is proper cause. You were saying before that a fleeing suspect can be shot only in certain circumstances. Would you be willing to expand on what those circumstances are?

"Cut down in the street" is foolishly inflammatory without context.

As is the presumption that he was fleeing or surrendering. (It's a hard sell to say that can be cognitively identified in just a few seconds.)

What you CAN know is that you were attacked, the attacker is still close enough to cause you harm, and you've been trained what to do in that situation: end the threat.

The variables are simple. Difficult but simple.

[4-2-7]

Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times

One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access.




Dr. Baden said that while Mr. Brown was shot at least six times, only three bullets were recovered from his body. But he has not yet seen the X-rays showing where the bullets were found, which would clarify the autopsy results. Nor has he had access to witness and police statements.

Dr. Baden provided a diagram of the entry wounds, and noted that the six shots produced numerous wounds. Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds.

“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”

He stressed that his information does not assign blame or justify the shooting.

“We need more information; for example, the police should be examining the automobile to see if there is gunshot residue in the police car,” he said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us...id=tw-bna&_r=1

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Zeke

"Cut down in the street" is foolishly inflammatory without context.

As is the presumption that he was fleeing or surrendering. (It's a hard sell to say that can be cognitively identified in just a few seconds.)

What you CAN know is that you were attacked, the attacker is still close enough to cause you harm, and you've been trained what to do in that situation: end the threat.

The variables are simple. Difficult but simple.

Well you are so sure of your position without any sort of qualm that you could be mistaken. If you read all of my posts I have posited in some of them on how Wilson may have been justified in protecting himself if he was indeed attacked inside his vehicle OR even if Brown reached in through the window for his gun.

However we have absolutely no evidence yet or any eyewitness that confirms this story. So for you to say that Wilson is 100 percent in the clear is just as wrongheaded in saying that those of us who support a different point of view are 100 percent wrong.

From what I can tell there are more than one witness who says he was shot in the back and in the front with his hands raised in the air.

And if Nixon is using the term victim to describe Brown that suggests to me that there may be more to the credibility to the eyewitness accounts than we know about. But I could be wrong.

You on the other hand admit no possibility of being mistaken so you are suspect in that regard. So you are just as fucked up as we are ok?

[Zeke]

My perusal of a preliminary autopsy report seems to confirm a position closer to my narrative.

[4-2-7]

Kind of hard to run away backwards as no bullets hit any part of his backside. All the bullet wounds look to be from a charging stance like a football player. I just wonder if Brown played football with his 300+ stature in High School.

Looks like this kid is a lier
Mr. Johnson said that he hid behind a parked car and that Mr. Brown was struck by a bullet in his back as he ran away, an account that Dr. Baden’s autopsy appears to contradict.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us...id=tw-bna&_r=1

[4-2-7]

The violence began about 9 p.m. along West Florissant Avenue, one of the city’s main streets, within two blocks of where Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager, was fatally shot. Hundreds of police officers turned out in riot gear, shooting rubber bullets and firing canisters of tear gas in an effort to disperse protesters. Some in the crowd retrieved the smoking canisters and threw them back toward the officers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us...-protests.html