18 and Dead.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

And now we have a dead kid and a nationwide shitstorm.

Because the kid assaulted a police offer after committing robbery.

Yes, yes...

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

Rise from what and with what was what I was referring to. What's the base level of social awareness.

Good point, but some exceptional people have risen from worse. That being said, good mentoring goes a long way.

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[icenine]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Ironic is that this kid was too stupid to get out of the road when the cops came, and the rioters keep getting gassed for not getting out of the road when the cops come.

Ironic is that the kid was a thief, and lots of theft is how they choose to protest his demise.

Ironic is that 5 days were dedicated to the destruction of the officer's character without any hard evidence, then when hard evidence is presented of the kid's character, it's called character assassination. If anyone assassinated "Big Mike's" character, it was Big Mike.

you are misunderstanding my posts. forget about the politics (even though I was guilty in my post in my demonstration of the correct usage of the term).

the word is used incorrectly all the time...that is my point.

Irony is a term usually best used in subtle language and in points of wit.

Character assassination is in the eye of the beholder. If it comes out that he indeed was attacked by Brown and Brown tried to grab his gun and the shooting was justified I will change my mind. I cannot condone what Brown did at the store but I do not think that requires a death sentence unless he without a doubt tried to take Wilson's gun.

I mean if Wilson really felt that his life was threatened it is an entirely different matter. However I want to see the evidence to prove that. So far there appears to be just the word of a rather inept Police Chief.

Wilson may be getting an unfair wrap...but he is still alive.


It is not ironic that Brown did not get out of the road when asked to do so.
In retrospect it was stupid on his part not to get out of the road when he was asked to do so. But not to the point of being killed.

Your point about the kids not getting out of the road when the cops use gas is not irony at all....it is just kids not getting out of the road when the cops use gas. You see you are not using the term correctly either.


let us use Iraq and ISIS as an example:


It is indeed ironic that 10 years after invading Iraq to end state sponsored terrorism we now find ourselves confronted with a terrorist organization that may prove far more damaging to the Middle East and the United States than Saddam Hussein ever did, hard is that is to believe.


now do you see how the terms ironic and irony should be used?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Because the kid assaulted a police offer after committing robbery.

Yes, yes...

'Robbery' is attested by his accomplice, so I'd say you're right there.

'Assaulted a police officer' is opinion, based on what some people say Officer Wilson has reported. It remains a possibility, but at this point you can't state as fact that it occurred.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The rioters, looters and firebomb throwers aren't exactly creating public sympathy for their (real or perceived) grievances.

that is true but I think most people realize that most of the population of Ferguson are not involved in the looting,etc

[icenine]

I think the story is starting to be changed from pushing Wilson into the car to reaching into the car. I heard that somewhere this morning.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Good point, but some exceptional people have risen from worse. That being said, good mentoring goes a long way.

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Yeah look how it worked on Obama.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Yeah look how it worked on Obama.

Well, he IS the POTUS.

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[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

'Robbery' is attested by his accomplice, so I'd say you're right there.

'Assaulted a police officer' is opinion, based on what some people say Officer Wilson has reported. It remains a possibility, but at this point you can't state as fact that it occurred.

Oh gee lets think a minute and say you robbed a store.... Ok!

With that in mind and a cop rolls up on you what will be going though your head?

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by icenine

you are misunderstanding my posts. forget about the politics (even though I was guilty in my post in my demonstration of the correct usage of the term).

the word is used incorrectly all the time...that is my point.

Irony is a term usually best used in subtle language and in points of wit.

Character assassination is in the eye of the beholder. If it comes out that he indeed was attacked by Brown and Brown tried to grab his gun and the shooting was justified I will change my mind. I cannot condone what Brown did at the store but I do not think that requires a death sentence unless he without a doubt tried to take Wilson's gun.

I mean if Wilson really felt that his life was threatened it is an entirely different matter. However I want to see the evidence to prove that. So far there appears to be just the word of a rather inept Police Chief.

Wilson may be getting an unfair wrap...but he is still alive.


It is not ironic that Brown did not get out of the road when asked to do so.
In retrospect it was stupid on his part not to get out of the road when he was asked to do so. But not to the point of being killed.

Your point about the kids not getting out of the road when the cops use gas is not irony at all....it is just kids not getting out of the road when the cops use gas. You see you are not using the term correctly either.


let us use Iraq and ISIS as an example:


It is indeed ironic that 10 years after invading Iraq to end state sponsored terrorism we now find ourselves confronted with a terrorist organization that may prove far more damaging to the Middle East and the United States than Saddam Hussein ever did, hard is that is to believe.


now do you see how the terms ironic and irony should be used?

Irony synonyms- incongruity, paradox.

I agree, the kid not getting out of the road is not ironic.
I agree, the protestors not getting out of the road is not ironic.
The parallels between the two, when one would expect otherwise, is the irony.
But then I suspect you knew this and just enjoy arguing.