Why Republicans Lose

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by bobabode

In the case of schools, the customers happen to be parents who often will chuck fairness aside when their snot nosed kids complain about all the injustices heaped upon them by ol' teach.

No shit.

Things have really changed since I was in school.

Back then we only had two rules.

Rule number one: "The Teacher is always right"

Rule number two "If the Teacher is wrong, refer to rule number one."

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The symbiotic relationship between the Democratic Party and the teachers unions is abundantly clear and let nobody convince you that teachers unions exist for the sake of students.

Thanks to the Teacher's Unions, only one ia a thousand manage to get fired.
How is that for job security?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

Thanks to the Teacher's Unions, only one ia a thousand manage to get fired.
How is that for job security?

Whatever.

White Flight, and the systematic neglect of our public school system are the primary reasons for the decline.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I just had to post this opinion piece by right winger David Horowitz.

It is so full of shit, but it gives you insight into how these assholes rationalize their positions.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/01/why-republicans-lose/




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This dumbass needs to meet the women, 99% of them African American, that I work with. Most of them single, work two jobs, plus go to school, raise their own kids and pay their own bills.

And still the rednecks I work with are convinced that these people "have everything handed to them".

Yes, the rightwing brainwashing does run THAT deep. They can't even see what is right in front of their eyeballs every fucking day.

Dave

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

You're really down on public sector unions.

I'm not a big fan of them myself but my experience with them is that they are really too weak to have much of a negative, or positive impact.

We had one where I worked for the State of Florida and it was a joke. We used to call it "collective begging".

At best, public sector unions are worthless. At worst, they can be quite harmful. The Democrats do a good job of conflating the merits of private sector and public sector unions, mostly because of the demise of private sector unions.

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management.

The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations...

"The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters."

- Franklin Roosevelt

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by bobabode

and management does?

Unions exist to protect the workers from unfair treatment from management and their customers. In the case of schools, the customers happen to be parents who often will chuck fairness aside when their snot nosed kids complain about all the injustices heaped upon them by ol' teach.

Let's not forget all of the parents who are absolutely certain their kid is the next Einstein and when the little halfwit can't comprehend "See Spot Run"......they blame the school. Then there are the undisciplined parents raising obnoxious, undisciplined future convicts who blame the school for their kids cretinous behavior. Then there are the ones that think it's the public school systems job to hold Bible class every morning and never fail to be outraged when a teacher suggests that there might be more to the real world than a sheltered WASP upbringing can prepare them for. And, of course, blame the school for the decline of morality in our "Christian Nation".............

No, it's the all the schools fault and the answer is, obviously, to cut funding. That'll teach the Commie bastards.

Dave

[Rajoo]

This from a 2010 issue of the Economist.

"The California Teachers Association (CTA) is the biggest lobby in the state, having spent some $210m in the past decade—more than any other group— to intervene in California's politics."

http://www.economist.com/node/15819208

Of course, the CA public schools rank in the bottom 10 of the 50 states but so is the funding.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

This from a 2010 issue of the Economist.

"The California Teachers Association (CTA) is the biggest lobby in the state, having spent some $210m in the past decade—more than any other group— to intervene in California's politics."

http://www.economist.com/node/15819208

Of course, the CA public schools rank in the bottom 10 of the 50 states but so is the funding.

I blame Pete Wilson, Deukmajian and their ilk for the shitty state of our schools. First thing to be cut is school funding and services. That ol' cheapskate Jerry Brown is working on turning it around.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I blame Pete Wilson, Deukmajian and their ilk for the shitty state of our schools. First thing to be cut is school funding and services. That ol' cheapskate Jerry Brown is working on turning it around.

In Florida the funding is tied to property taxes.

So the ares with high dollar real estate (white republicans) have awesome schools. And the areas with low dollar real estate (black, brown, and white trash) get to suck hind tit.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

In Florida the funding is tied to property taxes.

So the ares with high dollar real estate (white republicans) have awesome schools. And the areas with low dollar real estate (black, brown, and white trash) get to suck hind tit.

That's pretty much the case everywhere until it gets so out of whack that the courts intervene (which isn't too often). That said, the correlation between education spending and achievement is pretty soft.