Israel has invaded Gaza...

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

They are Israeli citizens. Why would their residency be jeopardized under any conditions, except in individual cases after due process of law? Or does collective treatment just seem natural, for some reason, when we're talking about them?

It couldn't be because they are a despised, oppressed minority in Israel, could it? Or am I full of it because every Israeli jew is your belioved cousin, and an ANGEL who can do no worng, unless they do, but since it's them it's OK?

'Yes SUR, Massa, I sure do loves it bein' here in Israel!'

They fear it just like the Jews fear being driven into the Mediterranean. Y'know, this isn't the first time I've noticed how pissy my fellow lefties get when it's one of your ideological cohort who won't buy into typical lefty anti-Israeli sentiment. It's fascinatin' actually that we get this Jews=nazis bullshit and Jews=southern slave master bullshit from our fellow progressives. And you go so much more relatively easy on the right-wingnut supporters of the State of Israel. Reckon WTF that's all about, eh?

And reckon what the deal is with lefty's when they go all apeshit over skinhead anti-Semitism, or redneck anti-Semitism, or just plain old American Christian anti-Semitism...but when it's Arab/Palestinian anti-Semitism...it's the Jews own fault. It's the poor oppressed Palestinians who apparently have justification for their anti-Semitism.

I also find it most interesting how Israel's neighbor states supply and fund Hamas and Hezbollah and other organizations with weapons, and money for weapons, and money for flight school in Florida, when they could just as easily supply the Palestinian leadership with aid that would allow for some economic growth and improvement of quality of life issues for Palestinians. Economic aid isn't going to provide much progress toward the actual goal I suppose, which is not helping out their fellow Muslims, but getting rid of Jews.

[Rajoo]

Here is a good article describing the Israeli perception.

I am quite ambivalent about this whole Israeli Palestinian issue, except for the military funding of Israel while continuing to promote peace talks as if the US is neutral, as well as the vetoes of UN resolutions on Israel's behalf. That is hypocrisy.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/...ugh-dead-jews/

Another interesting item.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/video/1.606618

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

They fear it just like the Jews fear being driven into the Mediterranean. Y'know, this isn't the first time I've noticed how pissy my fellow lefties get when it's one of your ideological cohort who won't buy into typical lefty anti-Israeli sentiment. It's fascinatin' actually that we get this Jews=nazis bullshit and Jews=southern slave master bullshit from our fellow progressives. And you go so much more relatively easy on the right-wingnut supporters of the State of Israel. Reckon WTF that's all about, eh?

And reckon what the deal is with lefty's when they go all apeshit over skinhead anti-Semitism, or redneck anti-Semitism, or just plain old American Christian anti-Semitism...but when it's Arab/Palestinian anti-Semitism...it's the Jews own fault. It's the poor oppressed Palestinians who apparently have justification for their anti-Semitism.

I also find it most interesting how Israel's neighbor states supply and fund Hamas and Hezbollah and other organizations with weapons, and money for weapons, and money for flight school in Florida, when they could just as easily supply the Palestinian leadership with aid that would allow for some economic growth and improvement of quality of life issues for Palestinians. Economic aid isn't going to provide much progress toward the actual goal I suppose, which is not helping out their fellow Muslims, but getting rid of Jews.

Where do you get the notion that anyone here condones antisemitism? I have a problem with the notion that suffering from antisemitism justifies any and all oppression against another minority.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

That's too bad. It seems to go one way or the other depending on where you're at.

Tom, black and Jew? Tough one. I've thought about it. I used to think is was a no brainer, the Jews had it worse. Then I learned as many blacks died in forced crossing of the Atlantic as Jews in the holocaust.

That said I still think the Jews have had it worse. Not that it makes what happened to black folks ok (though I'm sure someone will say it's what I'm doing) but with the Jews, it's a directed thing, an active thing, and there's this underlying almost drive to point to the Jews as responsible for the world's ills, a drive to conspiracy, that certainly doesn't exist towards black folks. Perhaps because they can be insular and tend to be successful? I don't know. My 02.

Pete

Blacks have had it worse.

Jews are white, except for a few converts like Sammy Davis Jr.

And when you are white you can always just hide your Judaism.

Like Leslie Sue Goldstein did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acRMALrg1t4

When you are black it's kinda hard to do that, although Michael Jackson gave it a try.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

And you go so much more relatively easy on the right-wingnut supporters of the State of Israel.

Are you shitin me?

I go easy on right wingers?



Man you really are divorced from reality on this issue IKE.

Oh Well, I suppose I should cut the Israelis some slack.

I feel about the same towards Republicans as they feel towards the Palestinians.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

They fear it just like the Jews fear being driven into the Mediterranean. Y'know, this isn't the first time I've noticed how pissy my fellow lefties get when it's one of your ideological cohort who won't buy into typical lefty anti-Israeli sentiment. It's fascinatin' actually that we get this Jews=nazis bullshit and Jews=southern slave master bullshit from our fellow progressives. And you go so much more relatively easy on the right-wingnut supporters of the State of Israel. Reckon WTF that's all about, eh?

If a right wing fellow gets in my face about how the Jews are entitled to do anything they want to anybody in or around Israel, I won't go easy on them.

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

And reckon what the deal is with lefty's when they go all apeshit over skinhead anti-Semitism, or redneck anti-Semitism, or just plain old American Christian anti-Semitism...but when it's Arab/Palestinian anti-Semitism...it's the Jews own fault. It's the poor oppressed Palestinians who apparently have justification for their anti-Semitism.

I deplore Palestinian anti-Semitism, and all nasty things they do, not least because they 'justify' Israeli hatred and nastiness. Which you do not deplore, but deny and/or justify.

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I also find it most interesting how Israel's neighbor states supply and fund Hamas and Hezbollah and other organizations with weapons, and money for weapons, and money for flight school in Florida, when they could just as easily supply the Palestinian leadership with aid that would allow for some economic growth and improvement of quality of life issues for Palestinians. Economic aid isn't going to provide much progress toward the actual goal I suppose, which is not helping out their fellow Muslims, but getting rid of Jews.

We have an anecdote in this thread about how happy the Israelis are for third parties to come to the aid of the Palestinians.

[piece-itpete]

"I blame the Jews." - Godfrey



Pete

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

"I blame the Jews." - Godfrey



Pete

I blame you.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Where do you get the notion that anyone here condones antisemitism? I have a problem with the notion that suffering from antisemitism justifies any and all oppression against another minority.

Regards,

D-Ray

It's always been about anti-Semitism. Right from the beginning. I have a problem with the notion of excusing the behavior or terrorists as anything else. It doesn't matter if it's in Europe, the Middle East, or right here in the good 'ol USofA. You can frame your "justification" any way you like. It will all end when the Islamic militants and radicals decide to let it end. But they won't ever let it end, because for them the rest of the world is full of godless infidels...and the Jews just lucked out as being the worst infidels of all, and accepted the western world's offer of part of the British Mandate as a "safe place" for them to exist.

And who's land it is is a matter of considerable debate anyway. As provided by distant history and more recent history in the form of the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank, and the Egyptian annexation of Gaza, which happened and nobody liked but the British. And which didn't end until the Israelis kicked their asses back onto their own territories. But somehow the Jordanian occupation and the Egyptian occupation never really created the violent reaction that boiled up when Jews decided it was their turn. Go figure.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

"I blame the Jews." - Godfrey



Pete

Don't feel guilty pete. Everybody blames the Jews.