Israel has invaded Gaza...

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Comparing the Jews to Nazis is absolute bullshit and perhaps the most hateful offensive thing I've ever heard.

Spare me your righteous indignation.

I call em like I see em.

I'm sick and tired of the US being Israel's bitch.

It's no coincidence that at least half of the architects of the Iraq War were Jewish neocons with dual Israeli/US citizenship.

And I'm pissed as Hell that those fucking bastards sent my son into harms way to make the Middle East safe for Israel.

Fuck those bastards.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Comparing the Jews to Nazis is absolute bullshit and perhaps the most hateful offensive thing I've ever heard.

How about their collective punishment practices? Netanyahu's response to the murder of the three settler kids was heavy-handed (and collective) in the extreme.

[piece-itpete]

If any of the BS that Israel has often just put up with happened here we would stomp the assailants flat. It wouldn't be about hurting them, it would be about destroying them.

Pete

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If any of the BS that Israel has often just put up with happened here we would stomp the assailants flat. It wouldn't be about hurting them, it would be about destroying them.

Pete

If any of the BS that Palestinians have often just put up with happened here we would stomp the assailants flat. It wouldn't be about hurting them, it would be about destroying them.

We stomp people flat if they happen to have a resource that we want.

We stomp people flat at the drop of a hat, and we'll drop the hat ourselves.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Oerets

I can not but think if Israel were to treat the Palestinians as equals and stop the settlements. Give back some of the land seized. Take the high road and treat them as neighbors. The populace would come around and stop supporting Humas.

But blowing up homes and killing families will only incite after all.

It seems to me the Israelis want to wipe them off the map. They need look back at their own history of not so long ago and see the error in this.

Barney

I would suggest you have it backwards, Barney. The day the last rocket or mortar round is lobbed into an Israeli town will be the day the conflict ends.

History? Here's the history. The rest of the world left the Jews of Europe hanging out to dry and twisting in the wind for 10 years. And now anybody thinks that Jews should trust anybody? That's the history they're looking at. That's the only history they should be looking at when considering what they oughta do to protect themselves from the annihilation promised by their friendly pacifistic neighbors who only want peace. The Palestinian populace will never come around. What history has shown is that if the populace were to stop supporting Hamas it will be in favor of those worse than Hamas. The Palestinian people have already shifted their support from old, worn out terrorist organizations like the PLO in favor of fresh and energetic terrorist organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas.

Leave the Jews of Israel alone, no more mortars, no more rockets, no more maniacs with 5 pounds of gelignite strapped to their ass in an open market in Tel Aviv, and it all goes away, right away...and the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza will have nobody to blame for their misery but their own leaders...and themselves.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Comparing the Jews to Nazis is absolute bullshit and perhaps the most hateful offensive thing I've ever heard.

To people like you, I've already committed original sin just by daring to criticize Israel. So the way I figure it, in for a penny, in for a pound.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

No me: the stated aim of Hamas is to remove physically the Israeli state.

No doubt in my mind that if Hamas had the nuclear option, it would use it.
Have no illusion about the extreme position of Hamas.

It sees Israel as an intolerable imposition not only on the Palestinians but on
the Arab people in general.

I am saying it is time to step back from it suicidal attitude.

What suicidal attitude? So Israel invades. They will take some losses, then Israel will pull out. Israel will try to make the punishment harsh, but there will actually be rather strict limits to how far they will go, in retaliation for a missle barrage that has caused, I think, one death....

Hammas isn't doing anything suicidal. They will come out of this just fine. Suicide, for them, would be becoming, in young Arab eyes, 'soft' on Isarel. Then their own people would get rid of them, something beyond Israel's power.

You said defeat of Israel. Now you say physical removal of Israel. "A suitcase bomb" is not enough for the first, and much less enough for the second. That's all I'm saying.

Basically, you're just throwing around this talk of Hamas using nukes as a way of saying how awful 'they' are. Doubtless some are passionate enough with the war emotion to want to kill some 10's of thousands of Israelis with a small nuke. But control hopefully there would lodge with more rational leadership who would realize the Israelis could and would kill ALL of them in retaliation. I believe this would be the case; I don't think the Hamas is a monstrous, crazed, monolithic 'they.' There are lots of teenagers of strong passion, but also older individuals capable of subtle thought--more like myself and you. Making non-suicidal strategy.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

What suicidal attitude? So Israel invades. They will take some losses, then Israel will pull out. Israel will try to make the punishment harsh, but there will actually be rather strict limits to how far they will go, in retaliation for a missle barrage that has caused, I think, one death....

Hammas isn't doing anything suicidal. They will come out of this just fine. Suicide, for them, would be becoming, in young Arab eyes, 'soft' on Isarel. Then their own people would get rid of them, something beyond Israel's power.

You said defeat of Israel. Now you say physical removal of Israel. "A suitcase bomb" is not enough for the first, and much less enough for the second. That's all I'm saying.

Basically, you're just throwing around this talk of Hamas using nukes as a way of saying how awful 'they' are. Doubtless some are passionate enough with the war emotion to want to kill some 10's of thousands of Israelis with a small nuke. But control hopefully there would lodge with more rational leadership who would realize the Israelis could and would kill ALL of them in retaliation. I believe this would be the case; I don't think the Hamas is a monstrous, crazed, monolithic 'they.' There are lots of teenagers of strong passion, but also older individuals capable of subtle thought--more like myself and you. Making non-suicidal strategy.

You fire rockets..kill probably one Israeli and loses 200 of your own people in the process. Isn't that suicidal?

It is logical to assume the worst if an organization used suicidal bombings as a strategy. I have no doubt Hamas would use the nuclear
option if they had it.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Well it worked for the Vietnamese.

The North Vietnamese were always going all out. We were the ones holding back. It's not so much that it worked for the Vietnamese, as it is that it didn't work for us.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If any of the BS that Israel has often just put up with happened here we would stomp the assailants flat. It wouldn't be about hurting them, it would be about destroying them.

Pete

Even though it was their land to begin with.

Where have I heard that, before?

Point begin, Israel can SUCK IT. And they are to be directly compared to Nazis, here.