"Does America have the political maturity for single-payer healthcare?"

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The reason the 'Baggers and their ilk dislike Obamacare is their fear that someone (other than themselves, of course) will get something they don't deserve.

Yep.

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by merrylander

They spent a fortune on lobbying and that should be outlawed because despite what some version of SCOTUS said the First does not cover lobbying. Unfortunately being conversant with the English language is not a requirement to be a SC Justice.

If legalese was plain English, attorneys wouldn't take up a third of the yellow pages.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by mpholland

If legalese was plain English, attorneys wouldn't take up a third of the yellow pages.

"... the right of the people to peaceably assemble and to petition the Government for the redress of grievances."

Now I think that we can take the words "the people" in this context to mean citizens of these United States. The words 'redress of grievances" speak to a post facto function, i.e., you cannot seek redress unless something has already been done that you find grievous.

However lobbyists today seek to change legislation before it is even enacted and if that were not bad enough they also represent foreign governments, hardly "the people". So I submit that as currently practiced lobbying cannot be defended by pointing at the First Amendment.

Nothing terribly difficult to understand there, if this high school dropout can understand it how come those Harvard trained Justices cannot?

[Rajoo]

One way ACA has a chance to expand is if small businesses could give the option for their employees to shop for insurance on their own and then reimburse them for it. But unfortunately this will be taxed. Same applies to the self employed people, their insurance payments are taxed. Herein lies the greatest disadvantage between employer provided insurance by large corporations (they get favorable rates) and the small businesses and self employed.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by VanishingPoi

We can't go back but we can go forward and eventually have single payor universal health coverage like we should have had from the beginning if it were not for those right wing scum.

I guess I need to address this one point separately. As much as the cons are behaving despicably regarding the ACA...this Hobby Lobby case has nothing to do with religion since there is not consistency related to the "abortifacient" status of most, if not all, of the contraceptive meds and devices in the case...I can't blame all the opposition to single payer on right wing scum.

There's plenty of left wing scum that want nothing to do with single payer. They have their employer supported health insurance, it's fine with them, they don't like change any more than anybody else, and would prefer that sick people and poor people continue to go without coverage and that 40,000 of them die every year due to it. If every alleged Democrat and liberal got behind single payer, it would have a fighting chance...but they won't, so it's dead as far as I can see.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

There's plenty of left wing scum that want nothing to do with single payer. They have their employer supported health insurance, it's fine with them, they don't like change any more than anybody else, and would prefer that sick people and poor people continue to go without coverage and that 40,000 of them die every year due to it. If every alleged Democrat and liberal got behind single payer, it would have a fighting chance...but they won't, so it's dead as far as I can see.

If they are against single payer, they are not left wing.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

If they are against single payer, they are not left wing.

Well maybe you and I have a different definition of left-winger.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Well maybe you and I have a different definition of left-winger.

A lot of people in this country do.

For example Obama is considered a so************************t by many in this country.

That's laughable.

The Dude is Center-right.

There needs to be a narrative change in this country, because much of what is considered left and liberal here, ain't liberal at all.

[Oerets]

If and when a single payer system is up and running. There will be many many jobs not needed any more. Cost savings to patients but a political nightmare. Redundant positions not needed from the providers of service not needing as many paper shufflers, billing companies then insurance companies.


Because if cutting cost then single payer would go a long way to that end. Just by the simple fact of simplification of the system.


My guess this fact was considered by the President and knew it was going to be a hard fight anyway so fight that battle later by someone else.




Barney

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Oerets

If and when a single payer system is up and running. There will be many many jobs not needed any more. Cost savings to patients but a political nightmare. Redundant positions not needed from the providers of service not needing as many paper shufflers, billing companies then insurance companies.


Because if cutting cost then single payer would go a long way to that end. Just by the simple fact of simplification of the system.


My guess this fact was considered by the President and knew it was going to be a hard fight anyway so fight that battle later by someone else.

Barney

I wonder is there really duplication of clerical work? The present insurance companies do not cover all Americans so single payer should generate more input and considering claims is not a computer function.