Healthcare

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by VanishingPoi

Ya'll should take a look at this. It is worth a little looksy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3633404/

In a nutshell,

American Healthcare: You Can Get Better, But You Can't Pay More

[VanishingPoi]

Originally Posted by finnbow

In a nutshell,

American Healthcare: You Can Get Better, But You Can't Pay More

Please explain. I am not sure of your meaning.

[Oerets]

Still prevalent today, watch or listen to this golden oldie.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...theworld/view/


Just why ask yourself who is benefiting and why.

Barney

[VanishingPoi]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Still prevalent today, watch or listen to this golden oldie.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...theworld/view/


Just why ask yourself who is benefiting and why.

Barney

Thank, don't mind if I do.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by VanishingPoi

Please explain. I am not sure of your meaning.

The meaning is in the data.

The "You can't pay more", part. The pre-ACA health care system in this country was approaching 20% of GDP in total cost, when most of the EU, 1st world Asian countries and Canada have a cost of half that. I don't suspect that the ACA will improve it much, if at all.

The "You can get better", part. According to the CIA Factbook, of the top 50 health care systems in the world, in life expectancy the US is 42nd, and in infant mortality the US is 55th. Numbers from the WHO are virtually identical.

Thus, you can get better, but you can't pay more.

[VanishingPoi]

By Sally Littlefield, The Daily Californian
June 16, 2014

Sally Littlefield is a first-year Peace and Conflict Studies major interested in social policy, particularly issues relating to the definition of, regulation of, and interaction between various cultural groups. She has explored her interests in both writing and leadership since coming to Berkeley through blogging for Caliber Magazine and serving as Tri Delta’s representative for the UC Berkeley Panhellenic Judicial Committee. She hopes to find an internship that allows her to simultaneously pursue her passions for words, group work and social policy and is interested in working for a publication that provides social and cultural commentary.

Recently, it has been reported that 7.5 million Americans have enrolled in Obamacare, many more than expected. Yes, it’s better than before: overall, Americans are insured, and insurance companies are no longer allowed to overcharge or deny coverage to the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions. Key issues persist, however: Some people still cannot afford adequate insurance or insurance at all. New issues have arisen as well: 14 million people are left scrambling after their plans were canceled, and others are ignored by the system all together. Going backward is not the answer. But clearly, the Affordable Care Act is not the answer either. So where do we go from here? According to prestigious organizations such as Physicians for a National Health Program, the American Medical Student Association and the California Nurses Association, the answer is clear: single-payer health care.

http://pnhpcalifornia.org/2014/06/op...er-healthcare/

[VanishingPoi]

It feels truly Orwellian that progressives are applauding the forced purchase of private health insurance — one of the most hated industries in the United States — while the right is opposing a model that originated from their political leaders. The Affordable Care Act (ACA) is a step farther on the path to total privatization of our health care system, not towards the health care system that most Americans support: single payer Medicare for all.

In the months leading up to the March 31 deadline to obtain health insurance, ACA supporters united around their mission to enroll people. Volunteers knocked on doors and tabled in their communities. Celebrities and athletes tweeted and labor unions ran robocalls. The media buzzed with speculation about whether the ACA would succeed or fail. March 31 felt like election night. And after it was over, ACA supporters clapped each other on the back and celebrated.
Obamacare survived. But now that the law is implemented and the dust is settling, it’s time to question what this actually means for health care and what we should do now.

http://www.healthcare-now.org/obamacares-empty-victory

The first paragraph of this article says it all for me.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

The meaning is in the data.

The "You can't pay more", part. The pre-ACA health care system in this country was approaching 20% of GDP in total cost, when most of the EU, 1st world Asian countries and Canada have a cost of half that. I don't suspect that the ACA will improve it much, if at all.

The "You can get better", part. According to the CIA Factbook, of the top 50 health care systems in the world, in life expectancy the US is 42nd, and in infant mortality the US is 55th. Numbers from the WHO are virtually identical.

Thus, you can get better, but you can't pay more.

Ike I lived in Canada for my first 52 years I never used to take any prescription drugs until very recently and only now because (as the speci@list told me I should never have gone out in the local daylight without sunglasses). So now I will have to use these eye drops for the rest of my life. Since I still have over $45,000 left of my claim limit with my former employer the cost does not worry me.

The big thing was that under SinglePayer I received preventative care, problems were caught before they became diseases. Which is why I say what we have here is not healthcare, it is diseasecare. If they actually caught things before they became big problems we would have an oversupply of hospitals and speci@lists.

Sure I am not the man I was at 53 but that was 30 years ago and the family doctor still says I am bad for business - his business.

However as long as we allow lobbyists things will never change.

[VanishingPoi]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

The meaning is in the data.

The "You can't pay more", part. The pre-ACA health care system in this country was approaching 20% of GDP in total cost, when most of the EU, 1st world Asian countries and Canada have a cost of half that. I don't suspect that the ACA will improve it much, if at all.

The "You can get better", part. According to the CIA Factbook, of the top 50 health care systems in the world, in life expectancy the US is 42nd, and in infant mortality the US is 55th. Numbers from the WHO are virtually identical.

Thus, you can get better, but you can't pay more.

Thank you. I was not sure what went into that statement.