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[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

With all this talk about oil prices going up due to instability in the Middle East, shouldn't we be doubling or tripling down on alternate energy like wind and solar?

Seems like a no brainer to me but what do I know? I'm just an old broken down construction puke who's spent some time out in the hot sun and the wind.

It's more expensive to double down on wind and solar than it is to start harvesting our own sources of conventional energy. We can continue to build windmills and solar panels as a national hobby, but what we really need is more domestic natural gas and hydro generating facilities.

Maybe you can get some of your California long hair friends to start making a case for hemp oil.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by whell

It's more expensive to double down on wind and solar than it is to start harvesting our own sources of conventional energy. We can continue to build windmills and solar panels as a national hobby, but what we really need is more domestic natural gas and hydro generating facilities.

WTF is stopping anybody from going solar. Buy the gear and install it...no big deal.
I went solar for my well without the government helping me.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

It's more expensive to double down on wind and solar than it is to start harvesting our own sources of conventional energy. We can continue to build windmills and solar panels as a national hobby, but what we really need is more domestic natural gas and hydro generating facilities.

What's up with the angry face Mike?

How is it that the Germans are doing it so well and we can't? If you hadn't notice Obama has been a big booster of fracking and natural gas production. Sorry to tell you but oil from ANWAR is dead and so is coal to a large extent.
Pray tell, what hydro are you talking about? On the St. Lawrence?

The sooner we grow up and realize that oil is finite, running out and ruining the climate. The better off we will be.

It's your heroes in Kansas, the Koch's and their pet trolls over at Heritage/ALEC who are actively trying to screw alternative energy strategies in this country. Hmmm, cause it's in their narrow interests? Ya think?

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

WTF is stopping anybody from going solar. Buy the gear and install it...no big deal.
I went solar for my well without the government helping me.

Sounds like you're against all the subsidies that big oil get from the gubmint? Think it through DJ.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Sounds like you're against all the subsidies that big oil get from the gubmint? Think it through DJ.

It's not that expensive, buy a system. If you wait for the government to do it, you will end up paying to support the grid anyway. They are already pulling that crap here. Be green & become free from the grid and all the B.S.

Why does someone else have to buy you a system anyway? Buy your own & own it.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

It's not that expensive, buy a system. If you wait for the government to do it, you will end up paying to support the grid anyway. They are already pulling that crap here. Be green & become free from the grid and all the B.S.

Why does someone else have to buy you a system anyway? Buy your own & own it.

There's no one buying a system for you, least of all big gubmint. It's subsidies and small rebates such as 'Energy Star' in electrical appliances.

Did you buy your well system new? Even if you didn't, you benefited from subsidies. You're not thinking this through DJ.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by whell

It's more expensive to double down on wind and solar than it is to start harvesting our own sources of conventional energy.

So what?

It's more expensive to drive than to ride a bike. It's more expensive to jail drug addicts than treat them. It's more expensive to fly than to take a bus. It's more expensive to continue with health care that isn't single payer. It's more expensive to criminalize drugs. It's more expensive to treat sickness than it is to promote health. It's more expensive to subsidize oil companies than it is to drive electric cars. It's more expensive to inspect our food and make sure it's not contaminated. It's more expensive to drink wine than beer.

Not everything is decided by the bottom line. This is America, not Ethiopia. Let's go for the good stuff, not the cheapest thing on the menu.

And when you say "more expensive" what do you mean? At what cost? Over what time frame? Solar and wind have start up costs, but then they are damned cheap. Oil is just spending.

Smart people invest. Poor people spend.

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

What's up with the angry face Mike?

How is it that the Germans are doing it so well and we can't? If you hadn't notice Obama has been a big booster of fracking and natural gas production. Sorry to tell you but oil from ANWAR is dead and so is coal to a large extent.
Pray tell, what hydro are you talking about? On the St. Lawrence?

The sooner we grow up and realize that oil is finite, running out and ruining the climate. The better off we will be.

It's your heroes in Kansas, the Koch's and their pet trolls over at Heritage/ALEC who are actively trying to screw alternative energy strategies in this country. Hmmm, cause it's in their narrow interests? Ya think?

Don't know how the angry face got there..

I know I didn't mention oil or ANWAR in my post, so what triggered the Koch rant? Any excuse for a good rant I guess...

We there are several dams here in MI that could easily be retrofitted to produce electricity. Hell some of them used to before they were decommissioned by the local utility.

[Fast_Eddie]

And how on Earth do you think hydro start up is LESS expensive than wind and solar?! lol

(edit) Ah, that makes sense.

Originally Posted by whell

We there are several dams here in MI that could easily be retrofitted to produce electricity. Hell some of them used to before they were decommissioned by the local utility.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

Don't know how the angry face got there..

I know I didn't mention oil or ANWAR in my post, so what triggered the Koch rant? Any excuse for a good rant I guess...

We there are several dams here in MI that could easily be retrofitted to produce electricity. Hell some of them used to before they were decommissioned by the local utility.

Pbbbbbbttt. More deflection from Whell. You really are a hoot Mike. As Eddie said, LOL. Retrofitting some silted up impoundments in Bitch-Again is your answer? Really? Once again, pbbbbbbbbttt.