Obama Did The Right Thing-POW release

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

It's nothing new for this country to reap what it sows regarding it's despicable record of international meddling in the workings of other sovereign nations. Perhaps, one day, this country will get exactly what it deserves from one of these 5 guys.

And why would anybody be surprised that it would be fine with the likes of you to lock up another human being without any legal recourse for 12 years of that person's life because a gang of lying-ass low-side operators like the CIA said that person was "dangerous."

I don't agre with locking these scumbags up they should have been shot in the head as soon as no info was gained.

[whell]

Originally Posted by JBS...

That's just pucked up! even for you Bubbles

Not really. He's made similar comments before. I'd suggest that he's just being consistent.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

It doesn't matter. Obama was / is in favor of the exchange "...whatever the circumstances may turn out to be..."

“Regardless of the circumstances, whatever those circumstances may turn out to be, we still get an American soldier back if he’s held in captivity. We don’t condition that.”

http://time.com/2817428/obama-bergdahl-taliban-warsaw/

So, if Ike gets his wish and one of these guys does find a way to get back into action and kill some more Americans, it doesn't matter because we got one defective soldier back.

Yes, but as I understand it, the military has long gone after deserters and even traitors whenever possible, simply to bring the individual to justice. And, prisoner exchanges are nothing new either.

Where I see Obamas biggest FUBAR is in hyping it up to be a heroes welcome. When I would expect a C-in-C to well know the story behind a case such as this after five years of playing with it. The public relations part of this little operation was destined for disaster from the start. He had to know this guy is an ass.

So, why would he play it that way?

"Six Men Died trying to bring a Traitor to Justice!" makes a far better headline than "Six Men Die to Bring Home a pseudo-Hero, Who's Really just a Deserting Loser!"

I mean, if you're going to do it, do it right for crying out loud.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

And, I don't speak for Ike. He's a grown man, he can answer for his own over the top statements.

Dave

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

It's nothing new for this country to reap what it sows regarding it's despicable record of international meddling in the workings of other sovereign nations. Perhaps, one day, this country will get exactly what it deserves from one of these 5 guys.

This 'country' does not deserve terrorist attacks, any more than 'Pakistan' deserves to have drones blow up country weddings. Thinking that 'country labels' identify villains is fucked-up.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Yes, but as I understand it, the military has long gone after deserters and even traitors whenever possible, simply to bring the individual to justice. And, prisoner exchanges are nothing new either.

Where I see Obamas biggest FUBAR is in hyping it up to be a heroes welcome. When I would expect a C-in-C to well know the story behind a case such as this after five years of playing with it. The public relations part of this little operation was destined for disaster from the start. He had to know this guy is an ass.

So, why would he play it that way?

"Six Men Died trying to bring a Traitor to Justice!" makes a far better headline than "Six Men Die to Bring Home a pseudo-Hero, Who's Really just a Deserting Loser!"

I mean, if you're going to do it, do it right for crying out loud.

Dave

I must agree that the groupthink must of been a bit thick at the White House, for them to try to play this the way they did.

[whell]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Yes, but as I understand it, the military has long gone after deserters and even traitors whenever possible, simply to bring the individual to justice. And, prisoner exchanges are nothing new either.

Dave

Yes and no.

An exchange of POW's of similar rank, yes. Giving up senior military leaders for a Sergent? Military leaders who are also wanted for war crimes by the UN? I don't think so.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I must agree that the groupthink must of been a bit thick at the White House, for them to try to play this the way they did.

Obama oversees what many U.S. officials and independent political analysts regard as one of the most insular national security teams in modern times. Key decisions - and often, information - are centralized at the White House with the president and a handful of aides, some of whom have been with him since his first presidential campaign.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0EG04720140605

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

Obama oversees what many U.S. officials and independent political analysts regard as one of the most insular national security teams in modern times. Key decisions - and often, information - are centralized at the White House with the president and a handful of aides, some of whom have been with him since his first presidential campaign.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0EG04720140605

Check. A tacit agreement to ignore sometimes glaring problems with 'the plan' is a classic groupthink error. Add to that the fact that liberals typically don't 'get' the conservative hypersensitivity to disloyality, and you have the recipie for an unexpected firestorm.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Check. A tacit agreement to ignore sometimes glaring problems with 'the plan' is a classic groupthink error. Add to that the fact that liberals typically don't 'get' the conservative hypersensitivity to disloyality, and you have the recipie for an unexpected firestorm.

It's a complex situation where any decision is going to be scrutinized: so you make the best decision you can based in some form of mantra. In this case, it appears to be "this is an American soldier, we'll deal with any personal behavior concerns upon his return."

I can live with that.

For the record, I -- personally -- do understand the conservative hypersensitivity to (perceived) disloyalty. I call it brainwashing.