The Affordable Care Act

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Well, in a way, isn't that a basic truth about...........all of American industry? Just substitute "hospitals, doctors, insurers and Big Pharma" with "owners, stockholders, senior management and contractors".

Dave

Sure, but I'm OK if it's companies who manufacture items that compete for the public's discretionary income. Health care is a different issue to me.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

And I gotta say that's because every member of Congress is intelligent enough to know that the majority of Americans are self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-centered schmucks who have tidy employer based coverage and don't give a shit in Paul Ryan's hat for how many of their fellow citizens are going bankrupt or dying every year for lack of decent coverage.

I suspect (hope) it's not a majority but it is a majority of an identifiable group known here as "conservatives". They're the "Kiss Up, Kick Down Americans".

John

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Sometimes I think our health care "system" was designed specifically to enrich hospitals, doctors, insurers and Big Pharma while extracting just enough money from the public that they don't riot in the streets.

Pretty much any "system" instituted within the last 35 years is designed to enrich the already-rich. The oligarchs have been carefully tailoring our "democracy" to that end for decades.

John

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Sure, but I'm OK if it's companies who manufacture items that compete for the public's discretionary income. Health care is a different issue to me.

That's true. Manufacture goods, more often than not, are not basic necessities. Healthcare pretty much is. Agreed.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Pretty much any "system" instituted within the last 35 years is designed to enrich the already-rich. The oligarchs have been carefully tailoring our "democracy" to that end for decades.

John

To the point where half of us run to the defense of someone already incredibly rich, but celebrate the working poor getting f**ked over as if it's some sort of glorious patriotic endeavor. Hell, sometimes they even grin and high-five, when it's THEM that's getting f**ked.

I'm telling ya, John, sometimes I wonder when Rod Serling is going to step out of the shadows and tell me; "...this is the Twilight Zone.".

Dave

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

To the point where half of us run to the defense of someone already incredibly rich, but celebrate the working poor getting f**ked over as if it's some sort of glorious patriotic endeavor. Hell, sometimes they even grin and high-five, when it's THEM that's getting f**ked.

I'm telling ya, John, sometimes I wonder when Rod Serling is going to step out of the shadows and tell me; "...this is the Toilet Zone.".

Dave

Fixed it for you

[bobabode]

Well, well - 12 million insured per Gallup.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...#axzz2z5gm7fne

That one note tune of repealing ObamaCare that Repugnant party is counting on for the midterms may not have the oomph they're hoping for.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

I suspect (hope) it's not a majority but it is a majority of an identifiable group known here as "conservatives". They're the "Kiss Up, Kick Down Americans".

John

I know quite a few self-proclaimed "Democrats" who want nothing to do with single payer. And I believe that in addition to the "blue dogs" there are many dems in the US House from solidly blue districts that will not support single payer because they believe it will threaten their seat. I also believe they are probably right.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I know quite a few self-proclaimed "Democrats" who want nothing to do with single payer. And I believe that in addition to the "blue dogs" there are many dems in the US House from solidly blue districts that will not support single payer because they believe it will threaten their seat. I also believe they are probably right.

It's an unintended consequence of Howard Dean's "50 State Strategy". Fielding an electable Democrat in a red or purple state gets you a Congress(wo)man who talks like a Democrat and acts like a Republican.

John

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Boreas

It's an unintended consequence of Howard Dean's "50 State Strategy". Fielding an electable Democrat in a red or purple state gets you a Congress(wo)man who talks like a Democrat and acts like a Republican.

John

Lieberman was the worst of the sell outs on health care IMO.

And there was no excuse for it.

Connecticut is a safe blue state.