The Affordable Care Act

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

"Big health insurance companies are predicting huge premium increases next year for small employers and people who buy coverage on their own....."

Meaning outside the exchanges.

Good. That'll force them into the ACA.

Probably why it's being done.

Dave

Were you for or against Obama's special exemptions and his delay of the mandate? Why do you want to force people to do something? Have you been affected yet? It seems you have yet to smell the flower but conclude it's a rose.

[icenine]

I think the health insurance companies may moderate increases so as not to create a backlash against them. That way they keep all of their new customers. Jacking the rates sky high to give people like Cruz ammunition to repeal the law will not help them in the long run.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Were you for or against Obama's special exemptions and his delay of the mandate? Why do you want to force people to do something? Have you been affected yet? It seems you have yet to smell the flower but conclude it's a rose.

I don't know about Dave...but as for myself, I don't much care about Obama's special exemptions, the mandate delay or much of anything else. I'm on one of the Medicare Advantage plans...so the ACA doesn't matter regarding our personal situation. So as far as I can tell we won't ever be affected...unless and until the country gets universal Medicare for everybody, which is what we've supported for over two decades already.

It's been said before, but I'll say it again...I've had a gut full of this carping about the ACA. It's done everything I figured it would do, and wanted it to do, and other stuff that I regard as utter crap...such as continuing to utilize the for-profit insurance industry in any way in this country's health care.

So when you, or any of your ideological cohort, or any of the right-winger politicians you love so much, extract their heads out from their asses and come up with an actual alternative I'll be open to listen to it. It won't be single payer, of course, so I know in advance it will be a steaming pile of horseshit that will not address any of the problems this country faces regarding health care for all of the people. It will continue to put for-profit insurance vampires in charge of our health care, it will continue to allow big pharma, big medical groups, big hospitals, overpriced doctors, and the AMA to fuck us in the ass and not even give us the benefit of a reach around. But I'll listen prior to puking.

Until then, I'm not much interested in any more chunks you people spew all over the place about the ACA.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

"Big health insurance companies are predicting huge premium increases next year for small employers and people who buy coverage on their own....."

Meaning outside the exchanges.

Good. That'll force them into the ACA.

Probably why it's being done.

Dave

Mine went from $304/Month to $307/Month, I was shocked I tell you shocked. And we figured that we get good treatment so why bother with the exchange, I do not need subsidizing from my fellow taxpayers.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Were you for or against Obama's special exemptions and his delay of the mandate? Why do you want to force people to do something? Have you been affected yet? It seems you have yet to smell the flower but conclude it's a rose.

I ntake it you don't have car insurance?

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by merrylander

I ntake it you don't have car insurance?

Of course I do, but I had it before I was compelled to have it. My problem is with those that think the ACA and how it was designed and passed was fine. I'm happy your's only had a slight increase. Mine didn't and I'm pissed both for it going up and then by their demonization of the policy I had previously. And we know exactly why "settled" law was delayed by the administration.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

I'd say something isn't ringing quite true.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2932704.html

Didn't read the link? then you pulled an article over a year old from the HuffPost with no attribution as a rebuttal. Read the CBO report, bro.

Keep on supporting these 'my way or the highway', 'winner take all' pols who've been bought and sold by that dirty Koch money, Mike. The tide has turned and unless you can walk on water, you need to get your congress critters on board with fixing the flaws rather than wasting $50,000,000 every time they bring it to a floor for a Phyrric vote in the House. Which at 50 plus votes is beyond clinically insane.

Look, bud, I understand stubborn (grandparents were Yoopers, the others were Krauts) but to bleed money like this is just crazy and it's all about helping our unfortunate neighbors get some minimal health care.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Of course I do, but I had it before I was compelled to have it. My problem is with those that think the ACA and how it was designed and passed was fine. I'm happy your's only had a slight increase. Mine didn't and I'm pissed both for it going up and then by their demonization of the policy I had previously. And we know exactly why "settled" law was delayed by the administration.

Look they should have gone SinglePayer or emulated one of the European plan, say like the Dutch. You and I both know doing anything that sensible would never have gotten passed even when the Dems had both chambers. Never would have made it past the Blue Dog DINOs. So we take what we can and smooth out the rough bits. The healthcare and Big Pharma spent a small fortune making it look the way it does.

Back home they put a 0.8% surcharge on my taxable income and the Ontario family plan was $54 per month. Hell here the Medicare surcharge is high than 0/8% and we each pay $128.80 per month. Until this month I took no drugs but now the eye doc says I will be on the eye drops for life. Both are generics, one at $60 the other at $28, even frigging generics are overpriced here. Florence had a BP med start at $300 for 90 days three years later it was $645.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Look they should have gone SinglePayer or emulated one of the European plan, say like the Dutch. You and I both know doing anything that sensible would never have gotten passed even when the Dems had both chambers. Never would have made it past the Blue Dog DINOs. So we take what we can and smooth out the rough bits. The healthcare and Big Pharma spent a small fortune making it look the way it does.

Back home they put a 0.8% surcharge on my taxable income and the Ontario family plan was $54 per month. Hell here the Medicare surcharge is high than 0/8% and we each pay $128.80 per month. Until this month I took no drugs but now the eye doc says I will be on the eye drops for life. Both are generics, one at $60 the other at $28, even frigging generics are overpriced here. Florence had a BP med start at $300 for 90 days three years later it was $645.

I would have been more comfortable with a single payer or even this one if it was closer to Ezekiel Emanuel's early voucher model. I took a dim view of Obamacare during the planning stages. The whole process was bereft of transparency and I'm aware of no legislation of this magnitude passed in a such partisan manner. At the time, Obama had plenty of political capital to take a strong leadership role, but didn't. He let Reid and Pelosi, both rapid partisans, take lead. Obama could have been truthful and state that there would be changes to previous policies and that some may be forced to change their doctor. Of course, the other side have their squadron of idiots that can't capitalize on the democrats errors or offer viable alternatives. The whole bunch ought be run out of office.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by bhunter

I would have been more comfortable with a single payer or even this one if it was closer to Ezekiel Emanuel's early voucher model. I took a dim view of Obamacare during the planning stages. The whole process was bereft of transparency and I'm aware of no legislation of this magnitude passed in a such partisan manner. At the time, Obama had plenty of political capital to take a strong leadership role, but didn't. He let Reid and Pelosi, both rapid partisans, take lead. Obama could have been truthful and state that there would be changes to previous policies and that some may be forced to change their doctor. Of course, the other side have their squadron of idiots that can't capitalize on the democrats errors or offer viable alternatives. The whole bunch ought be run out of office.

In retrospect Obama's decison to get the ACA passed in his first two years in office was political genius. And all bills are passed in a partisan manner. That is how it works, as you can see at the state level where Republicans are trying to suppress voting rights so that the Democratic Party is hurt.