'Why We Did It' The Iraq War

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

I like you Tom since you like government workers...

You're OK with me too.

I'm very pro-military.

Air Farce Vet myself with a son in the army.

And I'm for big gummint all the way.

The bigger the better.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by icenine

thanks for liking me

remember you cannot have a nice Navy without one of them there huge ass Guvmints!

No it's the proper uses of federal government.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by tom joad

you're ok with me too.

I'm very pro-military.

Air farce vet myself with a son in the army.

And i'm for big gummint all the way.

The bigger the better.

yes!!!

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

No it's the proper uses of federal government.

Then get you ass down to the nearest recruiting office.

Maybe they can salvage you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IQqG0O8oQg

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Then get you ass down to the nearest recruiting office.

Maybe they can salvage you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IQqG0O8oQg

That reminds me of a story Sandy at AK said. I think he is in his mid 50s and he was waiting for his lady. So he decided to walk into the recruiters office and asked to sign up. He told them he is a good shot and he would bring his own guns.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

That reminds me of a story Sandy at AK said. I think he is in his mid 50s and he was waiting for his lady. So he decided to walk into the recruiters office and asked to sign up. He told them he is a good shot and he would bring his own guns.

In other words you're like your buddy Pete.

A chickenhawk with nothing but excuses as to why he never served,

[piece-itpete]

Well Joad, clue me in on how you voted for Obama.

Pete

[bobabode]

Rumsfeld? He probably studied Machiavelli at a Yale frat house kegger.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Pukka Sahib

The only thing to be learnt from history is that nobody learns from history."
- William Golding, Close Quarters (1987)
. . .

It would take a very great philosopher to know all the causes of the Iraq war, suffice it to say that President George W. Bush accused Iraq of having weapons of mass destruction - some of which were sold to Iraq by George H.W. Bush when he was President - that Saddam Hussein denied having and the United Nations weapons inspectors could not find, but that President Bush insisted Iraq had, or was in the process of acquiring for imminent use against the United States; and that when this was shown to be based on false intelligence, the invasion and occupation was then justified as a war against terrorism, to liberate Iraq from a oppressive regime, and spread democracy throughout the Middle East; for which thousands of American soldiers were killed and wounded, and untold numbers of Iraqi citizens lost their lives, were maimed, imprisoned, tortured, humiliated, and made to be enemies of the United States and its allies, and fermenting civil war.

Now that we are out of it, we can look back upon the whole scene with historic smugness. What are the lessons learned? What, in the final analysis, was accomplished? Did we win the war? Or was it a phony victory to be whitewashed by politicians? "Peace with honor" was the best face that Kissinger and Nixon could put on our inglorious exit from the Vietnam quagmire. In The Prince, Niccolo Machiavelli maintained that a state that is hard won in war is easily ruled as the enemy has been destroyed; whereas a state that easily won is not easily held because the enemy still remains all about the occupier. Machaivelli, Il Principe (1532). Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz - the architects of the war in Iraq - both profess to have studied Machiavelli. Apparently, they didn’t learn their lessons well; and President Bush would have done well to have had better advisors.

That is some ridiculously good stuff.

I wish I could have said it as well.

Sadly, I am merely left with a quote from Arnold Schwarzenegger's character in Predator: "It's all bullshit, there never were any hostages!"

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Well Joad, clue me in on how you voted for Obama.

Pete

Incredible.

Now you're trying to equate your lack of Military Service with Obama's.

Taking the old false equivalency notion that you are so famous for to a whole new level.

First of all you hate Obama, so it's pretty fucking hilarious that you are trying to say that if it was good enough for Obama it's good enough for you.

Number two, I'm giving Obama a pass on Military service because as the first black president of a country crawling with right wing racist gun nuts Obama has placed his life on the line to serve his country just as much as any veteran has.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...ent-In-History

From Secret Service Says The Number Of Threats Against The President Is Overwhelming:

President Barack Obama is the target of more than 30 potential death threats a day and is being protected by an increasingly over-stretched Secret Service. He is the most threatened President in history.

Since the President took office in 2008, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400% cent. Some threats to the President have been publicized, including the well known alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history.

Most however, are kept under wraps because the Secret Service fears that revealing details of them would only increase the number of copycat attempts.

Now, what have you done to put your life on the line for your country Mr. Preppy White Boy?