The Affordable Care Act

[piece-itpete]

What I mean to show is, it's not all bad by a long shot. Our research abilities are fearsome. There are many reasons we have some issues and the system is not 100% to blame. Are we going to force poor people to go to doctors? How do we get young women to go to their prenatal appointments and childs followup appointments? Can we get stubborn old people to go to the doctor? How does the ACA fix this?

From what I can see the ONLY thing the ACA does is shift the burden from employers to private citizens. Which btw I think is probably a good thing but does nothing for quality of care. Time will tell. I hope you're right.

Pete

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Definitely agree with the funding being absurd. And now the next push to hysterical with ACA. Even the name is an oxymoron when something is unsustainable.

Actually, the ACA improves our system somewhat by improving access while reducing the deficit by $143 billion over the first decade and $1.2 trillion the following decade (per the CBO).

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...0Estimates.pdf

So, the numbers show that it is indeed a significant improvement over doing nothing (the GOP plan).

[mpholland]

I still see the ACA as just a step somewhere. Right, wrong, or indifferent, at least something is being done. Where it ends up is anybody's guess, but it was no good as it was either.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

What I mean to show is, it's not all bad by a long shot. Our research abilities are fearsome. There are many reasons we have some issues and the system is not 100% to blame. Are we going to force poor people to go to doctors? How do we get young women to go to their prenatal appointments and childs followup appointments? Can we get stubborn old people to go to the doctor? How does the ACA fix this?

From what I can see the ONLY thing the ACA does is shift the burden from employers to private citizens. Which btw I think is probably a good thing but does nothing for quality of care. Time will tell. I hope you're right.

Pete

Bingo.

ACA will not fix any of that.

This burden the citizen is going to incur is not going to be small.
Nothing has been done to bring down cost. The only thing that will do that is Competition.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Bingo.

ACA will not fix any of that.

This burden the citizen is going to incur is not going to be small.
Nothing has been done to bring down cost. The only thing that will do that is Competition.

Then exactly how do they achieve the deficit reductions projected by the CBO? BTW, the growth in health care costs has gone done every year in the past 4 years.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Hey theres your free contraception.
Although with all the little blue pills you swallow she probably is not an issues for you.

Do you know who that woman is? Here's a clue - open sesame.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Actually, the ACA improves our system somewhat by improving access while reducing the deficit by $143 billion over the first decade and $1.2 trillion the following decade (per the CBO).

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...0Estimates.pdf

So, the numbers show that it is indeed a significant improvement over doing nothing (the GOP plan).

What did you just not want to look at the parts of the same report of the destructions of jobs.

It doesn't matter if cost are high or low if there is no way of paying it.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by mpholland

I still see the ACA as just a step somewhere. Right, wrong, or indifferent, at least something is being done. Where it ends up is anybody's guess, but it was no good as it was either.

A balanced mind.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

What did you just not want to look at the parts of the same report of the destructions of jobs.

It doesn't matter if cost are high or low if there is no way of paying it.

It doesn't say that it destroys jobs. That's more GOP fiction that you've apparently bought into. The CBO director testified just last week that it reduced unemployment by virtue of people now having the freedom to start businesses and/retire and not be locked to their employer. This will increase the demand for labor and thereby reduce unemployment. Even Paul Ryan and McCain have said that this should be an objective of health care reform.

Read this:

http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...,2101794.story

For a guy who says he's an independent/non-partisan, you sure do buy into a lot of Tea Party fiction from Rand Paul's gold standard to this. I'd recommend you change your reading/viewing habits if you want to come off as well-informed.

[piece-itpete]

Deficit reduction is not neccessarily lower heath care costs for us.

Pete