The Affordable Care Act

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I keep wondering;

With international travel becoming more and more prevalent, interaction between citizens, businesses and governments of different nations increasing by the day...........

How long can the "exceptionalism" crowd expect to maintain their silly, isolationist façade?

Actually, I'd say it's part of the xenophobic hysteria we're experiencing today.
Millions of Americans spend time abroad and see that it's really not all that bad. And this has the ones who are comfortable with the "American Way" a bit more than nervous.

What say you?

Dave

As noted previously here on PC, my son has suffered two pretty bad biking accidents in the past couple of years in Germany and Israel and has experienced their health care system first hand (as has a friend who broke her leg recently in Israel while on vacation there). Their experiences with the health care systems in those countries were absolutely first-rate and the costs were but a slight fraction of what they are here.

In Germany, the costs were honestly only no more than 5% of what the would have been here and in Israel probably less than 25% and he had very tricky hand surgery performed by the premier hand surgeon in the country.

Anybody who thinks we're getting our money's worth from our previous or current health care system is so feckin' clueless it's unbelievable.

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Effects of the Employer Penalty on Labor Supply
Under the ACA, employers with 50 or more full-time- equivalent employees will face a penalty if they do not offer insurance (or if the insurance they offer does
not meet certain criteria) and if at least one of their full- time workers receives a subsidy through an exchange. Originally scheduled to take effect in 2014, that penalty is now scheduled to be enforced beginning in 2015.[U]

I believe that states "offer", not "pay for". An employer should be able to offer insurance that meets the "requirements" for about the same price as the exchange, and IIRC, if your employer offers said insurance, you are not able to get it through the exchange barring certain circumstances. This tells me that the only costs the employer may "have to" eat, are an amount possibly equivalent to whatever subsidy the employee would be getting from an exchange plan.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

It would work just like it works in Canada, Britain, Germany, France, Sweden, and most of the other EU nations where their government sponsored single payer health care systems cost half as much of GDP as ours...and for better outcomes. The systems and their results are right there and have been for 40 years. That's exactly how.

And these countries are poor and there economies are on the verge of a collapse.
And in no way have the quality of healthcare the US does. Even Canadians come here if the have the money.

I love how everyone wants the US to be Europe or some other country. We'll move you are free to do that.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by mpholland

I believe that states "offer", not "pay for". An employer should be able to offer insurance that meets the "requirements" for about the same price as the exchange, and IIRC, if your employer offers said insurance, you are not able to get it through the exchange barring certain circumstances. This tells me that the only costs the employer may "have to" eat, are an amount possibly equivalent to whatever subsidy the employee would be getting from an exchange plan.

I do not understand what you are trying to say. Who is not pay lol

Also an employer will not be eating anything if you read the report. They will transfer that cost to the worker.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

And these countries are poor and there economies are on the verge of a collapse.
And in no way have the quality of healthcare the US does. Even Canadians come here if the have the money.

I love how everyone wants the US to be Europe or some other country. We'll move you are free to do that.

Where on earth did you get this misinformation? Canada, Britain, Germany, France, Sweden are poor countries with poor quality health care???. Surely you jest.

Tell me about your overseas travels.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Where on earth did you get this misinformation? Canada, Britain, Germany, France, Sweden are poor countries with poor quality health care???. Surely you jest.

Tell me about your overseas travels.

+1 That's crazy talk, imho.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

And these countries are poor and there economies are on the verge of a collapse.

And in no way have the quality of healthcare the US does. Even Canadians come here if the have the money.



I love how everyone wants the US to be Europe or some other country. We'll move you are free to do that.

You are right, other countries don't have the same quality of healthcare as the US....

Read how different the quality of health care is between the US and other countries.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013...-health-report

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

And these countries are poor and there economies are on the verge of a collapse.
And in no way have the quality of healthcare the US does. Even Canadians come here if the have the money.

I love how everyone wants the US to be Europe or some other country. We'll move you are free to do that.

It's ill-informed idiocy such as this by much of the American public that is, in large measure, responsible for our under-performing and overpriced health care system.

[bobabode]

Love it or leave it! Eh, Dan?

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Where on earth did you get this misinformation? Canada, Britain, Germany, France, Sweden are poor countries with poor quality health care???. Surely you jest.

Tell me about your overseas travels.

WTF The whole EU is in one basket, Greece France Italy Portugal Cyprus Spain. Have all been in dire straights the past few years and on the verge of total collapse bringing the whole euro down. The only reason they haven't is intervention from the Fed & IMF. We have been holding up the entire euro block because we can not have that currency collapse because it will collapse the USD.
British pound is in just as bad of shape as the euro. Canada does have lots of resources but there banking system is worse than ours and sold every speck of gold they had. Sweden has been bouncing around on diving into the euro mess because they're not doing that well either. Have you heard of the western banking system? We are all interconnected.
And yes when you have to wait to see the doctor over three weeks thats bad. But I'm sure the Washington Post lets you know all this stuff.

Do you want me to start dumping a bunch of links on you that you can do a little catching up on the world economy. If I were you I would pay a lot more attention to that than your ideology partisan politics. None of your politics will feed you when this government totally fucks up the world when they collapse the world reserve.

Do you even know why we are the world reserve??