The Affordable Care Act

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Sorry, Whell, but he's demonstrably right and you're demonstrably wrong. Take a look at healthcare cost growth in the past 3 years compared to the years preceding the passage of Obamacare.



"All told, health care costs have been growing more slowly over the last three years than any other time period since 1965."

So much for unabated cost growth in healthcare.

Yup, no doubt that the last two years have seen some abatement in the rise of health spending DUE TO THE RECESSION.

"National health care spending continues to grow at historically low rates this year -- but it will rise faster over the next decade as the economy recovers, the population ages and President Barack Obama's health care reform law adds millions to the the health insurance rolls, according to a federal audit released Wednesday."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3948568.html

Wow. A US gov't study suggesting that Obamacare putting more folks on insurance coverage will fuel increases in health care costs. What a shocker, huh?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Yup, no doubt that the last two years have seen some abatement in the rise of health spending DUE TO THE RECESSION.

"National health care spending continues to grow at historically low rates this year -- but it will rise faster over the next decade as the economy recovers, the population ages and President Barack Obama's health care reform law adds millions to the the health insurance rolls, according to a federal audit released Wednesday."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3948568.html

Wow. A US gov't study suggesting that Obamacare putting more folks on insurance coverage will fuel increases in health care costs. What a shocker, huh?

The graphs I put up show costs per enrollee. Your cited article says that more will be spent on health care as more people enroll. Well no shit, Sherlock.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

Wow. A US gov't study suggesting that Obamacare putting more folks on insurance coverage will fuel increases in health care costs.

And here we have it. The objection to the ACA and single payer. More Americans with health care coverage will make it more expensive for Whell.

That's it, eh Whell? If it's gonna cost you more money, fuck 'em...let 'em die.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The graphs I put up show costs per enrollee. Your cited article says that more will be spent on health care as more people enroll. Well no shit, Sherlock.

Oh.....

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

Yup, I do Rob. No, I've never lived in Canada but I do enjoy my visits there. Nice folks, beautiful scenery. Loved our honeymoon and then our 2nd honeymoon in the Canadian Rockies. Love to pop over to Windsor and take in the scenery from Assumption Park. Hate the casino over there. Love all the folks who cross the border from Canada to Detroit to come to work and shop. I also love the thousands of Canadians who come across the border to the US each year to receive medical treatment in the US.

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploa...011-ff0712.pdf

We all know who the Fraser Institute is, another right wing organ. As for Canadians coming to the US for treatment yes it happens. My own niece came down to Cleveland for treatmant of a rare form of cancer that occurs so seldom in Canada that there is little sense in setting aside any beds for it.

You see Mikey some ailments are so rare back home that it simply makes no sense to set aside hospital beds that would be lucky to get used once every five years.

Another cousin who took ill in Vegas was flown back to Canada by private plane for treatment at home - and the government SinglePayer picked up the tab.

I notice that you skilfully avoided the rest of that post, but then I have gotten used to you avoiding things that you can't answer.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Medical tourism isn't just a Canadian phenomena. In fact, 750,000 Americans go overseas for cheaper medical treatment every year.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/medical-tourism

In fact, 3 neighbor couples all drove up to Montreal a few years back for Lasix surgery there. They payed for a week vacation there (with money left over) from the savings.

Yeah I understand that New Zealand is the place to go for hip and knee replacements, plus a charming vacation for less than just the surgery here.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by merrylander

I notice that you skilfully avoided the rest of that post, but then I have gotten used to you avoiding things that you can't answer.

Rigid ideology is the enemy of fresh ideas.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The graphs I put up show costs per enrollee. Your cited article says that more will be spent on health care as more people enroll. Well no shit, Sherlock.

Yes, sir. Its called the law of supply and demand. As the demand for something rises, unless the supply for that good or service rises as well, then the cost of that item increases. So unless Obama starts pooping out physicians, the cost of care will rise. Couple that with an anticipated shortage of physicians, and things may get pretty interesting.

https://www.aamc.org/download/153160...sidency_tr.pdf

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Yes, sir. Its called the law of supply and demand. As the demand for something rises, unless the supply for that good or service rises as well, then the cost of that item increases. So unless Obama starts pooping out physicians, the cost of care will rise. Couple that with an anticipated shortage of physicians, and things may get pretty interesting.

https://www.aamc.org/download/153160...sidency_tr.pdf

And exactly WTF is wrong with minting more doctors to serve more needy patients? It's not as though there are a limited number of people who have the intelligence to become doctors. Hell, we're overproducing lawyers. If prospective law students see no job future, maybe they'll major in medicine. By your logic, we should training the exact same number of buggy-whip makers as we did in 1880 (i.e., the number of professionals in a field should remain stagnant and not adjust itself due to market forces).

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

That's it, eh Whell? If it's gonna cost you more money, fuck 'em...let 'em die.

Yeah, that's it. Exactly. You've got me totally figured out. Wow, you're awesome, man. Can I have your autograph?